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Hook Member
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Scientists believe this is responsible for the recent fogs. Attachment: space craft off SC.JPG (Downloaded 1060 times) |
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Inde Member
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Saw it today. I think it a fishing charter company storing marlin for "release and catch" |
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awatson Member
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what is it? Looks like a floating greenhouse. |
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Hook Member
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I have no idea what it is. There were a couple of guys in wet suits in a panga going round and round it. They did look like scientist types, not fishermen. Was hoping that posting this might get some info on what it is. |
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justme Member 
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There was a fish / shrimp type of farming thing there or in the same area last year but it was like a big triangle this one is much more modern saw it yesterday. Last year I was told that the Gov. was decommissioning shrimp boats and trying to promote farming ??????? I did a video underwater of a shrimp farm a few years back in las cocinas that had millions of shrimp till Marty came a week after the video and took it out. |
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Hook Member
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Could it be a tuna pen? It would seem that only the prices of bluefin could justify this and they arent in these waters. |
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justme Member
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Hook not sure but the shrimp farm I filmed started with the larva at about this time and I filmed it in Sept. just before Marty. I will do more to find out. I do understand that fish farming is very bad for the waters around them but but shrimp is not when I saw the shrimp farm it was clean and very heathy shrimp. Shrimp or fish???? |
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barato Member
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IT GETS EVEN SCARIER....THERE'S NOW BEEN A SIGHTING OF ONE OF THE CRAFT'S OCCUPANTS....  |
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odwyerpw Member 
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There is a story in one of the recent Fortune Small Business...of a fish farm...located on the open seas around Panama (started life in Puerto Rico.....but ran into US regulatory issues). The young man constructs his pens in that same fashion......submerged spheres constructed like geodesic domes. It's a good read if you can find it. Last edited on Sat May 9th, 2009 12:19 am by odwyerpw |
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repsilon Member 
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I heard they were fatting up yellowtail that they had netted last year? |
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Hook Member
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repsilon wrote: I heard they were fatting up yellowtail that they had netted last year? For Japan............or are you pulling my chopstick?? |
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Hook Member
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barato wrote: IT GETS EVEN SCARIER....THERE'S NOW BEEN A SIGHTING OF ONE OF THE CRAFT'S OCCUPANTS.... That DOES bear a resemblance to the guys I saw in the wetsuits..............maybe the wetsuits were actually their SKIN !!!!!!! |
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Inde Member
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That looks like the guy that collects fish carcases. Saw him on the Marina last weekend. |
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Eire Member
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Has anyone found out what it really is? and who is operating it? |
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Mike too Member
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There was an article in La Voz del Puerto yesterday. The photo in the paper looks a bit diferent than the one above. It, or they are shrimp jaulas, which means cages. Portable shrimp farm? Last edited on Mon May 11th, 2009 05:59 am by Mike too |
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Susan C Member 
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This info was located by Ocean Camp http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/aquapod-subsea-fish-farms-bizarre/ |
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Ocean Camp San Carlos Member 
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Thanks Susan, but actually it was Matt Young who forwarded that link to us, so he should take the credit. We have since contacted the person involved in operating the "sphere" and we will share whatever else we learn about this endeavor. |
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Espanglish Member 
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Yes, This is precisely what i was talking about. This is the same Brian O'Hanlon that was featured in Fortune Small Buisiness. Brian O'Hanlon has since moved his Deep Sea Aquapod operations for raising Cobia. Puerto Rico, being a US protectorate, put him under the jurisdiction of the Dept of Agriculture... Frustrated by their inflexibility, he relocated his operations to Panama. Regardless, we still don't know who owns the pod in SC, nor what they are raising. |
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Eire Member
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In that article posted by Susan it stated that a pod had been sold to Mexico. So looking forward to seeing the rest of the story. Looks beautiful. |
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Kiwi Member
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There will be a discussion on the "AquaPod" at San Carlos Yacht Club, Wednesday evening 7:00PM. Open to the Public. Evidently the owner or manufacturer will be there if he can make the time. |
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Dickrep Member 
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Hi..I just found this and would be very interested (along with 100's of others) as to what they are saying about the aquapod. It would be nice in an attendee could summarize the presentation. thanks...dick |
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Kiwi Member
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It was very interesting at SC Yacht Club on Wednesday night with the engineer from AquaFarms who is putting the Aquapod together. The sphere is in the process of being put together at this point - top half and bottom half. The owners(Mexican) were there also. Heavy polymer frame and wire mesh. There will be a total of 4 of these this summer. They will stay under water most of the time and they will be growing shrimp in them. One pod can take the place of two trawlers. The cost of each AquaPod is $120,000.00 USD and by the time they finish supplying, feeding, etc. the cost will be $200,000.00 USD The AquaPod is prediator proof and they will start with a net inside holding the larve and then dump the net once the larve reach a certain size. The shrimp are fed ground up and compressed (with vegtable oil base) shrimp heads - yes, shrimp heads. The net that was there last year did not prove to be prediator proof so they had problems with it however they are going to use it again later to grow Yellowtail. They can not acquire yellowtail fingerlings in this area so they will be sent to La Paz from I forgot where (Hawaii?) and go through quartatine there and then come to this side. Much more on this subject but I can't remember it all. The presentation by Vince Radice was also very, very good and he is making excellent progress. |
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Susan C Member
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Here is the website from the company that makes these type of Aquapods-net pens. Their Senior Structural Engineer and Project Manager Steve Ruell, P.E. - attended the presentation. http://www.oceanfarmtech.com/ |
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Hook Member
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We drove by this thing yesterday and it is now sunk down so that just the top is showing. There are some floats around its perimeter. And it appears that an anchored trawler is what keeps it in place. There is one anchored a couple hundred yards off it. |
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MGM Member
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Where is this aquapod? |
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barato Member
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once you clear the harbor mouth, head generally in the direction of Isla Bellota, aka Haystack, the rock you see as you look at the point out towards Guaymas...you'll pass near it. not much to see though. |
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Hook Member
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All that is left now is the incubus. The mother ship has left and returned to the Proxima Centauri system. |
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gpo.valcer Member
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Hi everyone, I wanted to post this note as a thank you to everyone who has had an interest in our newly installed net pen (The AquaPod), specially Ocean Camp and the kind people who attended our presentation at the San Carlos yacht Club. For those of you who are still interested to know about our project, here is a little information: Position: 27 54.911 N 111 01.835 W Status: Completely underwater, and stocked with white shrimp larvae. Depth: 18 ft. below the surface. Anyone interested in taking a closer look or learning more about the project can contact: Gustavo Valdez, gpo.valcer@gmail.com We will take you for a guided visit/dive free of charge. Please contact us to schedule your visit. Thanks. |
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Rikki Tikki Member
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How long before the shrimp are ready for the Bar-b? What are your marketing plans? Rick Rikki Tikki Karaoke |
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gpo.valcer Member
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The entire shrimp cycle is around 6 months in order to get them to our desired size, 50 grams, or what would be a U15 count shrimp. (That's under 15 shrimp per lb). So around early to mid November they should be ready. Re our marketing plans, we have a commercial partner in SF. Check out the following site and p[roduct video of one of our other projects you might find it interesting. http://www.cleanfish.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWLarCCvY0o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkGIW4qHzkQ&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I19QVS1VM0&feature=related |
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mexicojan Member 
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This post is just too funny! |
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Ocean Camp San Carlos Member
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Gustavo, First, let me thank you for accepting Ocean Camp's invitation to attend our Science Night program. Your comments were articulate and informative. Our audience appreciated your presentation. I remember that you invited our audience to watch a video that you named the "Fisherman's Daughter." I now have viewed it and I think that it is a remarkable story. Ocean Camp has worked with schools and universities in Sonora and the USA to promote understanding of the beauty and importance of the Sea of Cortés -- as well as all of the world's oceans. We look forward to working with you soon, at any level, with community awareness programs that may be helpful to educate about needs for sustainable food production and related topics. A pleasure to meet you, Mark Morelli Ocean Camp San Carlos, A.C. |
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Ocean Camp San Carlos Member
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Gustavo, Muchas gracias por el comentario en referencia a nosotros en este foro. Nos dió mucho gusto haber hecho posible el que tuvieran una nueva plataforma para demostrar su proyecto. Acabamos de ver el video "La Hija del Pescador". Nos dejó un muy buen sabor de boca y es reconfortante el darse cuenta que hay personas/empresas que buscan realmente el desarrollo sustentable de nuestro Golfo de California. Esperamos seguir en contacto y conocer más de sus esfuerzos. Con todo respeto, Miguel Angel Valdez Ocean Camp San Carlos, A.C. |
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Hook Member
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I certainly didnt mean to make fun of a legitimate business endeavor. But to encounter this thing floating on the surface with fog moving in and out was just a weird experience. And in my ignorance, I decided to have fun with it and hopefully start a conversation about it. Mission accomplished! These would have to be some of the cleanest shrimp around, compared to some of the other shrimp farms I have seen. Will the end result only be for export at amaebi prices? |
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gpo.valcer Member
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Dear hook, If anything I guess I should thank you. Your curiosity and initiative led us to finally acomplish what we neglected for an entire year, reaching out to the comunity and informing what had been going on in the San Carlos whereabouts. So much for our PR. Re your question, our product is, indeed, intended for export. Yet, we do have plans to have a delivery of product for local restaurants and hotels so that they can feature it fresh on their menu. Something like "fresh from our local seafarm" So, what do you think? |
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Eire Member
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Fabulous idea. Can't wait to dine on locally grown shrimp. |
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Kiwi Member
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Would assume that the aqua pod is under water but noticed today that the "Net" was being used again. Are you useing it for shrimp also or are you already raising the yellowtail that you spoke about when you did your presentation. Understand that it is not preditor proof so wondering what you are raising in it. |
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gpo.valcer Member
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You are right, the old cage is out in the surface. Not being used yet though. We have been keeping it out in the sunlight to dry off so the cleaning process can be as little agressive as it can. We'll also be doing some maintenance to it, zinc replacements, things like that. We are expecting to receive some fish some time soon. And as you said it is not predator proof. Still, an important investment to have sitting around not being productive. Is just a matter of keeping an eye on it and making sure it stays clean in order to prevent drawing to much attention from sea lions. |
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Kiwi Member
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Gustavo: Thank you so much for the explanation concerning the "Net". Let us know, in the future, what might be raised in it. Also, when will the next Aqua Pod be put into position? This is all so interesting and we appreciate your interaction. |
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gpo.valcer Member
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Kiwi, Although some effort has been done to get almaco jack (seriola rivoliana) and yellowtail amberjack (seriola lalandi) to have our Sea Station stocked, there are many obstacles that keep puping up. Right now another oportunity appears in the horizon, the University of Baja California has a research program that has been doing Totoaba rearing cycles and now wants to move into grow-out research. They are considering sending 5,000 totoabas to be fully grown in our Sea Station as part of a collaboration agreement betwwen them and our company. We hope the negotiation succeedes. The following Aquapods will be getting deployed during Mid to late august. This activity is diving intensive, thus, any diveres interested in something different will be hihgly appreciated. Gustavo. |
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Eire Member
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Wish I were a diver. Fantastic. |
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Eire Member
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Maybe this would get more divers if you posted on dive forum? |
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gpo.valcer Member
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I{d like to thank everyone who has kept an interest in this topic and I'd like to ask the moderator or administrator to haave this thread moved or renamed to something like "San Carlos Sea Farm" it seems to make sense at this point. Thanks. |
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gpo.valcer Member
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I haven't done that but it's a great a idea. Will do so right away. |
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gpo.valcer Member
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Hello everyone, here are just a few pics of the Aqua Pod Space Craft that I wanted to share with you. Hope you like them. |
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MGM Member
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what happens if the aquapod is submerged but not very deep...and some boat/small fishing boat/yacht for instance, hit it???? is there come kind of marker on the sea to prevent this from happening? |
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Hook Member
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It looks like I cant alter the subject of this thread that I started. Bart will have to, if he so chooses. |
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gpo.valcer Member
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MGM wrote: what happens if the aquapod is submerged but not very deep...and some boat/small fishing boat/yacht for instance, hit it???? is there come kind of marker on the sea to prevent this from happening? If a yacht of some sort -like the ones in San Carlos- would accidentally hit the Aqua Pod, then the yacht would be in serious problems. The pod is an extremely rigid structure and hitting it would be like hitting a rock, wouldn't recommend it. Thus, it is marked with several surface buoys (3 orange, 1 green, 1 blue foam). We have also provided the cordinates for its exact location earlier on this thread. Every boat owner/captain should enter this mark on their GPS to be aware of it at all times and stay at a proper distance to avoid either hitting or getting tangled up with some of the lines we have around. I will also provide at a later time the coordinates that make up the corners of the entire area that make up our leased surface area. (Farm). Gustavo. |
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Rick Brusca Member
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I would be interested in hearing how the Aquapod shrimp farmers will deal with excess food, antibiotics, and other chemicals introduced into the system that will inevitably leak out into the surrounding sea. |
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gpo.valcer Member
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After a lon long long absence I get a chance to be on line again. Will start by addressing the last concern about chemicals, excess food, etc.. 1. These shrimp are 100% natural which means no chemicals, antibiotics or any other type of product is used for their growth. 2. The feed is composed of fish meal and fish oil and is used merely as a diet complement, as these shrimp feed mainly from the natural nutrients suspended in the water, ther feed conversion ratio (F.C.R.) is extremely low, about 0.20 to 1 compared to 2 to 1 generally observed in conventional pond shrimp farms. This means that while a regular pond farm needs 2 kilos of feed input to produce a kilo of shrimp, we only need 200 grs of feed to produce that same kilo of shrimp. 3. Our company is engaged in an agreement with several government agencies and other NGOs to observe the impcat the farm has in the surrounding ecosystem. This includes a follow up on changes to water quality, seabed composition, flora and fauna variations, etc. The results of these tests will be available for the general public once testing has concluded, in about 8 months. |
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Kiwi Member
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Can we have an update as to how the shrimp are doing. Will they be the right size for harvesting by the middle of this month and did the company put down anymore aqua pens this summer? |
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UsryTregre Member
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gpo.valcer wrote: Dear hook, If anything I guess I should thank you. Your curiosity and initiative led us to finally acomplish what we neglected for an entire year, reaching out to the comunity and informing what had been going on in the San Carlos whereabouts. So much for our PR. Re your question, our product is, indeed, intended for export. Yet, we do have plans to have a delivery of product for local restaurants and hotels so that they can feature it fresh on their menu. Something like "fresh from our local seafarm" So, what do you think? What a wonderful idea! May scuba divers visit it? Do you have a "stand-off" area desired or designated? (In other words, do not anchor any closer than (how many) meters; divers may approch but not touch, or divers must stand off (how many) meters) |
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