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Jimmy
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Posted: Mon Feb 18th, 2008 10:04 pm |
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Go Fly a Kite.
Vince is a well respected local business man and has built his reputation as a teacher of water sports over many years. When compared with the Johnny come latelys' I must side with Vince.
You must take into account the ego of the malcontents. Naturally, they are gods gift to the kite boarding world and no others are their equal.
See Vince if you want a good solid education in the basics of Kite Boarding. The hot dogging will come with experience.
Last edited on Mon Feb 18th, 2008 10:28 pm by Jimmy
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Divecoz
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Posted: Mon Feb 18th, 2008 10:46 pm |
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I just happened along and read this thread. I know neither fellow. BUT this says a lot to me and its being skipped over, or so it seems to me it is and IMHO IT IS IMPORTANT!
"And Jeff is NOT currently working and he IS working on getting his work permit. It is a shame that he cannot work while they process his papers but Vince has threatened to try to have him deported. "
This tells me Jeff was working illegally and knew full well he was breaking the law! So he knew as do 99.999999999% of everyone who has been to Mexico for more than an hour , That you need a Permit an FM3 /working papers Permit to earn a living in Mexico as a foreigner.
That Vince threatened and didn't turn Jeff in saved Jeffs butt !!
Jeff if nothing else you owe Vince a few beers as the cost could have been a lot!!!
Because deportation for the lack of working papers could well mean he could not return to Mexico for any reason for 5 years. Not even as a tourist !
I know nothing about what it takes to be a kite Instructor. Is Instructor Cert. for real? Is it required by law ? If its not, then its not for real, done deal,. . its just a bragging rights / a bad boys club. I understand a little even if I am not a kiter as I am a NAUI Instructor. That BTW is real Cert. and is a Cert. required by law to instruct students. Students who must be certified to buy and rent equipment etc etc etc . AND its a Certification recognized World Wide.
So again let me ask. Must you be certified to fly a kite? To Buy a Kite?
For Example. . .You must be certified to dive Nitrox but you don't have to be certified to buy a Nitrox computer or a Nitrox approved tank. Do you have to be certified to buy a kite of a certain size? Who has the legal right to tell anyone what size kite they can or cannot buy?
All just IMHO
Last edited on Mon Feb 18th, 2008 10:51 pm by Divecoz
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Vince Radice
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Posted: Tue Feb 19th, 2008 06:30 am |
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You certainly don't need to be certified to purchase a kite but it does behoove you to be very careful as a begginer and get some instruction. It is funny that this thread came back to life just now since I sold a board to someone just yesterday who was complaining about Jeff teaching kite boarding. The guy was actually helping Jeffs student while Jeff was out on the water playing. His student was haveing some major problems and really wasn't ready to have a kite board on his feet. Jeff apparanlty told this guy that his FM3 was just about finished, which is what he has been saying for around a year or so now. I am sure that Jeff can not get an FM3 working visa because of a drug possesion conviction here in San Carlos. Just goes to show you how tollerant Mexicans are of gringos who break the law here. In the states people are getting deported left and right for working without papers. Just the other day I had a guy come into my shop broke and out of work because he had been deported. His wife and kids are still in the states. I Hired him to do some work for me that day so I could help him out.
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Posted: Tue Feb 19th, 2008 06:49 am |
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To KWM about your post, what I suggest you do is get yourself a small trainer kite of around 2 square meters and fly the hell out of it on the beach. When you can basically fly that kite and tie your shoes at the same time then you are ready to fly a slightly bigger kite. The progression the way I teach goes something like this.
- You learn to fly a small 2 line-trainer kite on the beach first
- Then you learn to fly a small 4 line- kite on the beach in very light wind conditions.
- During steps one and two you will hear a great deal about safety, personal safety and the safety of others on the beach.
- After you understand how to fly a 4 line kite safely you will be taught some self rescue techniques and then we put a life jacket or impact vest on you and let you drag yourself around on the water for a while. this is called body dragging and is a very important skill to practise. During the body dragging phase I teach you how to sail back up wind with out a board on your feet and how to position your body so you can put the board on your feet. This is something I saw a guy trying to do the other day but it was clear he did not understand how to hold his body steady while putting the board on his feet. Perhaps poor instuction or poor ability who knows but until you can do that you are just wasting you time trying to put a board on your feet.
- If you haven't guessed already kite boarding is around 90% kite handeling skills and about 10% board on your feet skills. I always tell my students don't be in a hurry to get the board on your feet. Learn the kite first.
All that said and done it might seem like it takes a long time to learn how to kite but that is not the case. I will use my buddy Chip from Durango as an example. He has been a windsurfer for many years and last year finally bit the bullet and got some gear. He has been flying his small trainer kite for several years now with his kids on the beach in preparation of the day he would learn. In about 7 sessions spread out over a two week period Chip no longer needed any instruction from me and was completely capable of staying up wind in just about any conditions. And you don't have to fly a trainer kite for two years to get started on that. About two days is often enough time to jump to the next level. Sometimes just two hours of trainer kite and you are ready for the next step.
Hope this info was helpful
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Divecoz
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Posted: Tue Feb 19th, 2008 02:48 pm |
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I don't know if its good or its bad but it sure is different in San Carlos than it is in Cozumel and ttbomk the rest of Mexico.
No Working papers and your deported in Most of Mexico and People are Watching! You out in plain view on the beach! ???? Your gone in the first couple days dude . Who do you think your jerking around? Police come and with immagrado arrest you . Your found guilty no court is needed, because they asked to see your FM3 working papers and you didn't have any! So your gone on a plane and they are dividing up your stuff. That is how it works in Mexico....You can not come back for 5 years, done deal no exceptions.
Drug bust! Are you kidding me ? The best Mexican Law allows for, is Immediate and Permanent Deportation. Its not Eugene Oregon dude ....!!!!
More likely you'll get ( this is for minor possession only) a week or 3 in a Mexican jail several thousand dollar fine a couple thousand dollars to the Lawyer / Liar ( he's Hermano with the Judge) and YOU pay for the plane ticket out of the country and they slam the door behind you and your not to ever return.
Jeff you for some reason got off very VERY Easy! IT could have been a lot worse and maybe thats why ,your so cocky man, wait till the REAL MEXICO takes a bite out of your butt.....
Vince as for how hard it is up here on illegal Mexican workers??? There are over 1,000,000 working in the Chicago-land area alone. We wont go there this is about sailing, kite boarding and someone needing to grow up and play by the rules .
Last edited on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 03:36 pm by Divecoz
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Posted: Tue Feb 19th, 2008 04:05 pm |
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Vince....I already have a trainer kite. Of course, as soon as I purchased the kite (about 2 weeks ago) a high pressure system moved into my area and the wind just disappeared. I have only flown it a couple times.
My equipment:
13m Kite w/ bar - LF Impact vest - Dakine fusion seat harness - SS surefire spreader bar and pad - Oneil dry suit (what is the water temp in march).
I am on the look out for a 9m kite, large buoyant board and a helmet. What do you stock.
Any advice is greatly appreciated.
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tontotom
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Posted: Tue Feb 19th, 2008 04:27 pm |
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In October my son and I went out to the beach to watch the whole show. He has a small kite he's been working with and has a lot of fun with. I'm not sure who was who but there were 10-12 kites working, sometimes 2-3 at a time. At times it might have appeared to an old fart like me that things could have been unsafe I'm sure those who had the gear and were flying didn't feel the same.
Everyone was willing to tell us about the sport and how great it was. Some guys were just learning and others were old hands. The wind was in the 20-25 mph range and these guys and gals were flying out and back. It was a rush just to watch.
Here is a perspective from the cheap seats, I've been in Vince's business a few times and he runs a great operation. My brother and I will be taking sailing lessons from him in the future. If anyone has an interest in watching some wild assed people go flying head on out to the beach. Some live on the edge and some well back from it, just enjoy the show.
My hat is off to anyone who straps into a seat and rides the wind.
Tom
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Vince Radice
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Posted: Tue Feb 19th, 2008 04:33 pm |
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Sounds like you are pretty much on the right track, what kind of kite is the 13meter and how much do you weigh?
The dry suit is probably a little overkill but you will be warm that is for sure and as a begginer you do spent a lot more time in the water than normal. I use a 4/3 mm wetsuit, water temps will be in the upper 50's to lower 60's.
As far as gear goes I have still have a fair amount in the shop. You just missed out on a used slingshot 9.0 meter fuel I had but I still have a slingshot 9.0 meter link that is brand new, a complete package that sells for 600 dollars, carbon bar lines and pump. I also have three boards in stock, all slingshot misfits, a 123cm, 134cm, and 146cm lengths.
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Posted: Thu Feb 21st, 2008 02:57 am |
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Hey Vince, thanks for the board, it was a life saver for me. As you may remember my Litewave 125cm board (black and yellow) was left on the beach on Thursday Feb 14 2008 (V Day for all you lovers) I left it on the beach like a bonehead and went down to froggy's for some pizza and heart shaped balloons. LOL Anyway, I just spent that last 1/2 hour reading (I am a slow reader) all the mud slinging on this sight. Bummer about all the crap. I hope it all works out in the end so that it will not bring an end to kiting out in front of the Hangout aka soggy peso bar. The way I see it, every one is right and a little wrong in one way or another. I suggest everyone just start fresh and move on, say hi and be nice to one and all. If you can't, move on to another beach and be free. (this is not to you Vince but anyone that can't be positive) I know you are all in for a surprise in the near future and if you can't all get the good vibes back it will be a long walk out to the beach. I thank you again for bringing me out a board to the beach and letting me use it before even paying you. That is Very Cool in my eyes! Keep kiting and do have fun!
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beegees2
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Posted: Sat Feb 23rd, 2008 04:12 am |
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ok, I'm not sure if it's a good idea to keep this thread alive, but I feel that I must ask some questions. I know nothing about 'kiteboarding', or any of the players here. Is Vince Radice Mexican? Is he correct in stating that his record and reputation are clean? Is there an American who is trying to do the same job as a Mexican is and has been doing, the American righteously insisting that his way is the preferred way of doing things? and trying to take away the liveliehood of the Mexican??? I really hope not because that would make me really angry against arrogant young asshole Americans.
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Divecoz
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Posted: Sat Feb 23rd, 2008 04:34 am |
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beegees2 wrote: ok, I'm not sure if it's a good idea to keep this thread alive, but I feel that I must ask some questions. I know nothing about 'kiteboarding', or any of the players here. Is Vince Radice Mexican? Is he correct in stating that his record and reputation are clean? Is there an American who is trying to do the same job as a Mexican is and has been doing, the American righteously insisting that his way is the preferred way of doing things? and trying to take away the liveliehood of the Mexican??? I really hope not because that would make me really angry against arrogant young asshole Americans.
Go back to blocking traffic with your truck down town you haven't got a clue . . .
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Jimmy
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Posted: Sat Feb 23rd, 2008 03:12 pm |
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Vince is an American who has operated The Sonora Sports Center (a business in SC) for Many Many Years. He is very well respected as a local businessman and as a good hearted individual. Vince is also a moderator on this web page.
The Newbie is an arrogant American who believes' that he is gods gift to the kite boarding world. This newbie is charging for kite boarding lessons in SC, while bad mouthing Vince. The newbie does not have authority to work, or charge for his services here in MX.
Tu sabe?
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Posted: Sat Feb 23rd, 2008 10:43 pm |
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| Hi Jimmy, I was just wondering if you know Jeroen from Safford, AZ? He is a kiter and was down here last week. nice guy and nice kiter. have a great weekend, Peace
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beegees2
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Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2008 12:25 am |
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| Divecoz, that makes two of us, you're just more clueless than I am; maybe not enough o2 in the tanks
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Jimmy
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Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2008 01:51 am |
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Kitedude wrote: Hi Jimmy, I was just wondering if you know Jeroen from Safford, AZ? He is a kiter and was down here last week. nice guy and nice kiter. have a great weekend, Peace
No I don't know him. I just know a few of the old folks there that I grew up with. But folks are either nice or nasty. It depends on their nature not their origin.
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beegees2
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Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2008 04:13 am |
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I would like to apologise for my comments on Friday Feb21, when I said "arrogant young American assholes". That comment was totally inappropriate and rude. I don't usually use or approve of those kind of comments. My only excuse is that I commented on the forum after an evening at Charlie's Rock drinking Margaritas de Casa. I am sorry, and will try to restrain myself from commenting on anything after more than 3 margaritas of any kind.
Pat
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beegees2
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Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2008 04:20 am |
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| Oh and BTW, Divecoz, yes I admit that I am clueless and that is why I asked questions so that I could make judgement on something after finding out what is going on instead of making inaccurate assumptions as you do. Whether I know about kiteboarding or not, is not the issue. The social and community implications of this issue affect all of us.
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Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2008 01:03 pm |
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About working. One thing is having the proper permit.
The ones they are teaching. They have to give a kind of a legal Invoice to their payig Customers. They do That ??
If they dont, you can report them to hacienda.
Teaching somebody for free on your vacation does not need a permit.
deportation has to do with Imigration and gobernacion. Its not that easy to deport someone, but they like to scare.
enjoy san-carlos , saludos Hans
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