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Catch-22 Steve
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Posted: Wed Mar 22nd, 2006 03:59 pm |
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Wow- I just Got Back in town and missed all this good Stuff, On flat. flat days we troll Only teasers most of the time 3 Mold craft daisy chain Squids with no Hooks,and one of Stuarts Rigs they have lots of action and bring fish in from great distances, after a billfish starts crashing the teaser we reel it in, get the fish really Hot , then drop back a Rigged Ballyhoo , Man does this work good, and its lots of fun to watch, last year when prefishing a tournament ( we never use hooks to prefish) we had a sail on a teaser for at least 90 seconds, what fun..all of this info is good stuff, tight lines Steve
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Stuart
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Posted: Wed Mar 22nd, 2006 04:56 pm |
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fishinmagishin wrote: Stuart,
Is petrolero one of the colors of teasers we are discussing????
Am I confusing the attractor issue?? CD's to represent baitfish, daisy chains & petrolero teaser??
This has been a terrifc thread, I have learned a lot...
Thanks to all youz guyz.. We are gonna have fun this season!!!
Yes, Peter. You are totally confused. But we knew that. 
Petrolero is simply a color pattern. The lure picture was to illustrate that color pattern. I don't have any teasers in that pattern, but my larger lures could be used as teasers. I tend to use them as lures, while as Steve mentioned, he uses them to bait and switch and for prefishing tournaments.
Why not get yourself some brown, orange and gray feathers and build yourself some big petrolero "la plumes"?
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Posted: Wed Mar 22nd, 2006 07:25 pm |
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L@@K what I found!
I am ordering several and I'll string 4-5 of them with ball bearing swivels on 300# leader in a daisy chain. They're 5" long and weigh 4 ounces, so they ought to drag pretty well. If it works, I will see about buying enough to put some together for sale for a HUGE Profit of course!
Craig (scumbag sales type) 
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fishinmagishin
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Posted: Wed Mar 22nd, 2006 07:43 pm |
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Craig-my new best friend.... Where would this world be if not for good ole scum bag sales types!! Sure--HUGE profits so your new best friends can get 'em for COST......
ScumII
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Posted: Wed Mar 22nd, 2006 07:49 pm |
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| COWBELLS! They work really well but you have to troll very slowly with them (3-5kts) specially if you gang more than 2 of them together. Attach a 2 oz trolling drail to each one and than connect in a daisy chain, make sure the drails have sampo BB swivels because I'm sure you know how cowbells run through the water smooth spinning swivels are the key for them to . The drails take a little away from the action but you need to weight them or they'll foul as soon as they hit the water (imagine trying to troll 4 or 5 clark spoons, same result as cowbells with out weight) if you could get 4 of them to what you want you will make some bucks off it!
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Posted: Wed Mar 22nd, 2006 08:54 pm |
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<--- as Spongebob likes to say "Good luck with that!" 
Are there salmon in San Carlos?? ' cause those sure like salmon flashers you'd run on downriggers to me!! Similar to what we used to call "Ford fenders" when trolling for lake trout.
Next thing I know, you teaser crazy guys will all be draggin' one of these silly things behind your boats!!
Fishin' Magician, please take note: "We highly recommend this surface teaser when chasing Billfish on fly as it is far superior to the traditional bird teasers."
That does it! I'm going to get a bunch of old, chrome Buick hubcabs and make me one helluva of a big ol' teaser. Have to use my anchor windlass to crank that sucker in and let it out! HAHAHA!
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Posted: Wed Mar 22nd, 2006 09:36 pm |
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| Now that's funny!
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fishinmagishin
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Posted: Wed Mar 22nd, 2006 09:59 pm |
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Stuart,
Who are you refering to?? I am the Fishin Magishin...
How much for the Buick hubcaps? How many do I need? Ha ha!!!!
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bartmanaz
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Posted: Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 12:54 am |
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My buddies at M&R Auto Dismantlers in beautiful downtown Hereford AZ are running a special on Buick hubcaps or if you are really going to go downtown they also have them by caddy, lexus, lincoln, etc. Think they even have some dime size 60-70s ford and chevy caps for those of you with liter lines and smaller boats. Call em at 520-378-2343.
Bart
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Posted: Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 04:28 am |
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| Im with Steve 99 percent of the time, but he'll tell you if I'm only targeting the fattest of marlin it's the Witch Doctor. Mine looks like it got thrown in batting practice to Barry Bonds.
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Posted: Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 12:55 pm |
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Swilhead,
Look what you started.... A nice east coast inquiry about teasers.. And now this thread has gone from a jocular challenge of west v east coast, to informative, to cynicism and the 'piatsa resistance'(sp) good ole humor...
"Does it get much better than this"??? Oh yes it does, "FISH ON"!!!!!!
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Posted: Sat Mar 25th, 2006 01:49 am |
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Now this is taking the teaser thing too far!
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Posted: Sat Mar 25th, 2006 04:18 am |
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| I've pissed in my wet suit before but never because of anything like that. They must have been towing the Witch doctor at the bottom of that ladder!
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Posted: Sat Mar 25th, 2006 04:32 am |
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In the famous words or Chief Brody (modified), "We're gonna' need a bigger chopper!"
But don't go close to the shore either!
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bartmanaz
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Posted: Sat Mar 25th, 2006 01:13 pm |
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Well I disagree with Craig on calling this use of a teaser. Think these guys were actually high-lining with live bait .
Bart
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Dave Harcourt
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Posted: Sat Mar 25th, 2006 01:37 pm |
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Is it too late to jump in here witrh real information? Or has this thread turned to nothingness?
First I use 8 inch squid chains as teasers and I have tried any number of combinations. I have mounted a couple of old reels on the base of my outriggers and have 200 lb leaders as line. They are threaded through the first eye of the riggers about 4 feet out and back straddling the first wave. This way we can wind them in quickly. How many teasers one uses is totally dependant on how handy everyone on the boat is at bringing in lines. I run training classes for first timers on my boat
I agree that rough water and teasers do not go together.
When fishing is tough, teasers do not help. When fishing is good you can get limits quickly. I have kept records for several years of what combinations we had set and what we caught.
My absolute best set up is using the Fishbuzz (He is a fishaholic who lives in Arizona and fishes everywhere including San Carlos) daisy chains ahead of each lure. We used short squid teasers at the side and a stinger line down the middle and back of everything. So we would have 5 daisy chains all with a hook in the back lure, two teaser lines short with15 feet of daisy chain attached behind them. Plus we would drag a sliced up Skippy from a short rope. Multiple hook ups were the norm.
Sailfish will drive you crazy with this set up. Two marlin and a sail all at once is the record for billfish. (We lost them all)
If you bump into a school of marauding tuna you will lose a lot of tackle. You can in fact hook up every line.
Speculation is the more trash in the water the wilder the hook up action. Very large teasers like paint buckets, buick hub caps etcetera do not work any better than the three inch squid skirts has been my experience. The CD teaser did not work at all as we kept hearing Willie Nelson tunes and the fish were running away.
When making the Fishbuzz teasers I use 200 lb main leader and 400 lb teaser attachment lines that way they skip over the top of the water and jump in and out. If you make them in a line the Dorado get suspicious and will not get excited as baitfish do not play follow the leader.
That’s the facts jack.
Dave
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Posted: Sat Mar 25th, 2006 01:52 pm |
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Dave,
Great information! The ideas about running off the rigger, and using a reel attached to it are especially good. I like the thought of the heavy line and angle into the water to help the chain stay on the surface. I think I will try running them off the Flatline Riggers for the short ones, too. Do you have a picture of the FishBuzz?
Craig
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bartmanaz
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Posted: Sun Mar 26th, 2006 12:31 pm |
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Dave
I tried the CD teaser too and found that no matter how I weighted them or how well I rigged them they just kept coming apart so I gave that idea up.
The single teaser I use, which is probably 20" long is run from one of two anchor points on the stern and we just pull it in by hand and leave it in the scupper.
I am intrigued with the idea of running from a reel attached to the outrigger. Assume I can use a smaller reel and clamp it on the rigger. Do you use a reel clamp or can you use hose clamps for that? Do you need to pad the rigger under the reel seat? Did you just run the teaser line through the lower eye on the outrigger or did you put some sort of pulley or release clip on the eye? Concern is getting the teaser line tangled in the regular outrigger line or having the rig hang up and bend the outrigger. I'd like to see your setup the next time down when you have the boat in.
While I've done some experimenting with running more rods from the side rocket launchers and so forth I keep coming back to the somewhat standard pattern of two rods from the riggers, two from the flats, one WWB and throw the teaser in the mix when the spirits move me to do so. Guess I'm just a believer in the KISS principle-Keep it Simple, Stupid!
Thanx for an interesting post.
Bart
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Dave Harcourt
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Posted: Sun Mar 26th, 2006 01:26 pm |
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Thanks Bart,
I simply use stainless hose clamps to hold them on. I use two old levelwind freshwater reels . I do not use a release clip but just a very large barrel swivel-snap to keep the line from twisting. I put a piece of duct tape under the reel seat.
The reason I use reels rather than just a static line is that I can let the daisy chain out to just in front of the lures and sometimes that really really works.
The only problem I have ever had occurred with only two of us on board and quad hook up. I did not get the engine in neutral and the teaser on one side got caught in the prop. The engine wound the line, teasers and reel right up on the prop. heck of a mess.
I do believe that the smaller the teaser and the more of them works the best. I believe what we are trying to do is imitate a small school of bait fish.
There are some clear plastic strip ones with the bait fish silk screened on the strip. I would like to try them but they are very expensive so maybe not.
Pulling a spreader bar is my next trick anyway. I think that would really work. The bar has to bend enough that when you give it a mighty yank it folds up and all lines can sort themselves out. The lines on a spreader tangle a lot. Capt Archer over at cabo made them but since his heart attack they are not availiable.
I will be down the end of May. We will have a beer and I will show you that set up and another that I am proud of.
Dave
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Dave Harcourt
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Posted: Sun Mar 26th, 2006 01:42 pm |
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Craig,
The diagram is linked on one of Stuarts posts on the fisrt page of this thread. Use no more that 5 teasers ahead of the hook lure. I gets so long that they are hard to handle with a gaffed fish at the end.
You owe me a beer. lol
Dave
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