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Posted: Mon Mar 20th, 2006 11:33 pm |
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| When targeting sails & marlin out of SC do most boats use teasers? I've only read about their use. I fished (one day) out of Matzalan last year and the boats did not use them. The spread used was rigged mullet on the outriggers and traditional lures on the flat lines. Reading the magazines & blogs elsewhere, the consensus is "if you're not teasing, your missing half the fish." I'm curious, are teasers worth all the fuss?
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Posted: Mon Mar 20th, 2006 11:53 pm |
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I think they are, within reason. If the water is rough i don't bother. One more thing to monkey with and working the rods and lures is enuff. I have a custom built teaser that was made by pouring different color of plastic in a large soda bottle and fixing long skirts to that. The concave bottom of the bottle is filled by a tennis ball with holes in it. It looks dumb and has no color rhyme or reason that makes sense but it does kick up a heck of a fuss. We pull from a clip on the transom. Nothing magic but does create a big fuss right in the wake.
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Posted: Tue Mar 21st, 2006 03:14 pm |
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Eh, you've been listening to and reading all that East Coast crap, haven't you?  It runs the gamut - dredges, spreader bars, teasers. Some guys swear by them. Personally, I feel Bart hit the nail on the head when he said "It's just one more thing to mess with." Unless you've got them on electric reels and can just hit a button to get them quickly out of the way, they're likely to be more of a pain than they're worth.
If you've got a spread of four to six lines out, with good lures or bait, you're going to raise fish. Remember that your boat is the biggest fish attractor there is. Provided the fish are there, of course. Otherwise, you can drag a V8 Chevy small block behind your boat and it isn't going to make any difference at all in catching fish.
I do, however, like daisy chains and have had great success trolling with them both in San Carlos and in the summer/fall in Puerto Penasco. Both jumping daisy chains and in-line daisy chains using small jethead lures. Mi amigo Fishybuzz turned me on to the jumping daisy chain concept and the sailfish and tuna go nuts for them. The dorado will jump on them, too, if they're around. Very simple concept and easy to rig. It's the imitation of a bigger baitfish chasing a couple smaller baitfish that seems to trigger very aggressive strikes.
Otherwise, the only form of teaser I use is a dead skipjack. We'll try to catch a couple of skippies first thing in the morning and use the belly strips on some of our skirted lures. We tie a rope around the tail of the cut, bloody skippy carcass and let him bounce in the water right off the back of the boat. Puts a little blood scent in the water as we troll. I wouldn't swear this increases our hook-up ratio, but we have had dorado come in and smack lures that were just sitting in the water while we were playing another fish using this method.
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Posted: Tue Mar 21st, 2006 08:00 pm |
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| Thanks for the advice. Sounds like daisy chains accomplish the same thing only with a hook, I like that. Do daisy chains give a leaping fish leverage to throw the hook? I'd thought about trying fender teasers as they are relatively inexpensive. Teasing sounds like it would be fun until a fish or even better, mulptiple fish hit the lures. It would be pandemonium on deck.
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Posted: Tue Mar 21st, 2006 08:41 pm |
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| We also have experimented with teasers. I made a couple simple ones out of white rubber dock bumpers. Tie a shredded piece of yellow nylon rope to one end to mimic a tail, paint it up like a dorado using plastic spray paint or yellow, green, blue and black permanent sharpie markers and Lash a 20 oz weight on the front "eye". We drag it off a center cleat on 200lb mono about 15 ft behind the "Mako Loco". Like Bart said it's just one more thing to get in the way but it's fun experimenting. I've heard lot's of stories about marlin nailing these teasers and not letting go. We have had some REALLY!!! good days days with triple and quadruple hook ups for dorado while dragging the teaser-not sure in it's coincidence or if there is something to it.
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Posted: Tue Mar 21st, 2006 09:04 pm |
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Since we fish with 'La Plume', it is advantageous to get billfish close to the keel and slap a fly close by.. The way I have seen it done is the teaser is pulled to the boat with Mr. Bill in hot pursuit.. The teaser is pulled out of the water, then la Plume is slapped behind Mr. Bill he/she takes that going away and the chase is on.. Gosh, it sounds so easy... I am sure my boat will be the essence of calm when this event starts to play out.. Yea right... A on-board Chinese firedrill..
So, I/we need a teaser... Stuart, are your skirted lires the right thing?? Can you make me one.. Or, do I make one like Bart's.. or the dock fender contraption??
On the Dorado, they will take the trolled fly... Or, chum around saragasso(sp) grass and slap La Plume on the water and they are SUPPOSED to take it.. Notice the keyword-supposed..
What is a daisy chain?? Do I make them, buy them? Where??
The other idea is to use a downrigger with La Plume.. Using a long-extra long leader and running line that is thinner than regular flyline...
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Posted: Tue Mar 21st, 2006 09:28 pm |
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swivelhead wrote: Do daisy chains give a leaping fish leverage to throw the hook?
No, no more so than any other lure on a leader. Only the last bait in the chain has a hook. I have a drawing I made of a pretty simple jumping daisy chain on my other computer. I'll see if I can find it and post it for you.
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Posted: Tue Mar 21st, 2006 09:39 pm |
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fishinmagishin wrote: So, I/we need a teaser... Stuart, are your skirted lires the right thing?? Can you make me one.. Or, do I make one like Bart's.. or the dock fender contraption??
I have a couple very large skirted lures with big google eyes that make excellent teasers. They have no weight to speak of and run right on the surface with lots of action.
I have also made some teaser daisy chains out of old CD's. (Thank-you AOL, for the unending supply of CDs!). Take about five CD's, drill a hole on each side of them, connect them with heavy leader and snap swivels, with some colored beads in between each CD, a heavy torpedo sinker on the end closest to the boat, and you have one hell of a teaser that catches the sunlight and throws it in every direction. Looks like a scattering school of baitfish in the water as the CDs spin. If the CD's have a label on one side, I put a holographic foil on that side. Spray it with some clear acrylic or urethane to keep it from peeling off. Cheap way to make a good teaser.
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Posted: Tue Mar 21st, 2006 09:49 pm |
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How far back from the barco do you set the cd's?? What is holographic foil??
Do you have a teaser I could buy?? Quantos.. (you can e-mail me the $$ #)I need between now and the end of Abril.. This is what I would use for bringing Mr. Bill to the keel???
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Posted: Tue Mar 21st, 2006 10:00 pm |
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FM,
Do you have a report from the last trip down?
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Posted: Tue Mar 21st, 2006 10:13 pm |
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Hi AZBB,
Did not know you lurked around over here at SC forum... Glad you are here...
Thanks for the sunset pics, beautiful.. How was Spring Break?? Did you and 3rd hook up for some beading action??
Well the new to me boat is in SC.. Trip down was uneventful until just a smidgen south of Hermosillo.. Big ole blow-out..
Cambio llanta and down the road.. Stayed at Creston, seemed OK.. Got on water saturday a:m.. of course I forgot Steve & Andy's phone numbers & boat permit & on the agua insurance did not show, had to have it sent to SC marina.. Caught some fish.. Boat ran extraordinarily well.. Snoped around san pedro island.. Just could not get the line down to the pescas..
I left the boat there at Ed's, so i can bonzai down for 4 day weekends..
I like San carlos--mucho.. may need to think about the future and buy something to enjoy later..
How about you and valerie??
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Posted: Tue Mar 21st, 2006 11:05 pm |
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| Here is a daisy chain of squids - go to ebay and type in daisy chain under fishing and you'll see hundreds for sale. Attachment: 2e_2.jpg (Downloaded 162 times)
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Posted: Tue Mar 21st, 2006 11:14 pm |
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Stuart, The CD's sound like a great idea. Do CD's hold up reasonably well?
This is a cool site, I've allready learned quite a bit from "ghosting" and posting only a few questions. It's nice to get local info rather than whats going on in Florida.
Something else I've discovered: Fishing is a disease, the symptoms..........bankruptcy!
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Posted: Tue Mar 21st, 2006 11:16 pm |
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Swvelhead,
Nice observation.. I have been broke before.. But since I own a boat & fishing stuff, I will be able to get broker faster!!!
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Posted: Wed Mar 22nd, 2006 03:46 am |
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Here's a diagram for making a Jumping Daisy chain.
Attachment: JumpinDaisy.jpg (Downloaded 80 times)
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Posted: Wed Mar 22nd, 2006 03:49 am |
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swivelhead wrote: Stuart, The CD's sound like a great idea. Do CD's hold up reasonably well?
Yes, they hold up pretty well as long as you don't troll them too fast. Ideally, 3 CDs are best on the chain. I built one with 6 CDs and it beat itself apart because I was trolling it too fast. But it flashes like the dickens!
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Posted: Wed Mar 22nd, 2006 03:57 am |
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fishinmagishin wrote: Do you have a teaser I could buy?? Quantos.. (you can e-mail me the $$ #)I need between now and the end of Abril.. This is what I would use for bringing Mr. Bill to the keel???
I currently have two, they're about 15" long - they look like this:
The other one is glitter dark red/black. They will definitely get a look from Mr. Billfish.
Attachment: Tease1.jpg (Downloaded 147 times) Last edited on Wed Mar 22nd, 2006 03:58 am by Stuart
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Posted: Wed Mar 22nd, 2006 12:13 pm |
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| Hate to pipe in again from the east coast but Teasers are the way to go and simple and easy to make. Get an offshore angler catalog, buy a bakers dozen of the 11"-16" rainbow squid and the same amount of 3" oblong floates. Stuff the floats in each of the squid (that way when you get a hook up the rig doesnt sing it just sits there and floats-works on squid in spreader bars too) rig each squid about 3 feet apart, 6 on each chain, the last squid closest to the transon should be right out of the prop wash, and the flat lines hooked bait should be right behind the last squid. rig it all on 300lb mono have a bucket ready for each teaser sitting under the gunnel for quick retreaval when hooked up. The floats make the squid very active and give them a little more drag to stay in the water. Not really ever fishing those waters I think the big trolling squid teasers would be great because of all of the humbolt squid (or atleast thats what I read) in the water. Let me know when to pipe down...
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Posted: Wed Mar 22nd, 2006 03:29 pm |
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Battlewagon wrote: I think the big trolling squid teasers would be great because of all of the humbolt squid (or atleast thats what I read) in the water. Let me know when to pipe down...
Your comments are always welcome! I was kidding about about you "East Coast" guys. Heck, I grew up fishing the Chesapeake Bay.  I had to relearn most everything for fishing Mexico and the Pacific.
I don't dispute the value of a teaser at all. The Humboldts you mentioned are very real, particularly in the San Carlos area. I use a color pattern called "petrolero" quite often just for that very reason -- it resembles the colors that the Humboldt squid flash through while they are in the water. It's also the reason brown/orange feathers and lures do so well in the Sea of Cortez. Petrolero is a popular color pattern all the way down to Cabo and Mazatlan.
Petrolero looks like this:
Attachment: Dulce1.jpg (Downloaded 131 times) Last edited on Wed Mar 22nd, 2006 03:29 pm by Stuart
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Posted: Wed Mar 22nd, 2006 03:37 pm |
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Stuart,
Is petrolero one of the colors of teasers we are discussing????
Am I confusing the attractor issue?? CD's to represent baitfish, daisy chains & petrolero teaser??
This has been a terrifc thread, I have learned a lot...
Thanks to all youz guyz.. We are gonna have fun this season!!!
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