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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 01:32 am |
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Fellow sportfishers...I have discovered at least 3 restaurants in San Carlos which have marlin on their menus. As long as customers order these items, there will continue to be an active market for commercial harvesting of marlin... and that is something we certainly should not encourage in San Carlos.
The Billfish Foundation has a similar program in the U.S, and here is my proposal for San Carlos: make it very clear to the owners of these restaurants that Marlin is a "sport fish" and should be removed from any menus. Tourism in San Carlos should be the main objective of every business in town, and the reduction of marlin will only hurt their business in the long run.
There are 3 restaurants in which I have observed marlin on the menus, and there may be others:
Marina Terra
Charlie's Rock
Los Arbolitos
My suggestion to you is to do as I have done: tell the owners or managers that you object to marlin on the menu (explain why) and that you will not be coming back to this restaurant as long as marlin is on their menu. If they start getting voluminous complaints from customers, it is likely that they will change the menu and drive down the demand for marlin (typically from longliners).
Please help....thanks, Dick
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 03:57 am |
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| Count on it.
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 04:03 am |
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| I am all in
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 03:51 pm |
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But I really like those little fried rings of marlin! Oh, wait... that's calamari. Sorry!
I've never eaten marlin and if I saw it on a menu, I'd ask for the manager and tell him why I'm leaving his restaurant. And off I'd go.
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 05:01 pm |
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And, said the Devil's Advocate: "How will you contend with this issue as it relates to the IBFT and awards dinner at the Marina Terra?"
Will they be serving the largest marlin caught during the tournament?
Humor guys and gals, just humor.......
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Posted: Sat May 30th, 2009 03:40 am |
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Great Idea!!!! I just spent the last 4 days promoting the documentary in Baja sur and it is almost impossible to find marlin or dorado on the menus down there. The vendors and hotel operators truly do care about the law and are going to be making some noise very soon about the issue of sport fishing species being commericialized. It also looks like the documentary will be used as evidence to bring a law suit against the office of Conapesca for refusing to enforce article 68 of the general law of mexicanfisheries.
Please let the resturant owners know that it is no longer acceptable to serve species reserved for sport fishing on the menu. The 6 species are by the way, Sail fish, Marlin, Rooster fish, Shad, Sword fish and of course the hero of our story, perhaps the most prolific fish to have ever swam in our oceans, a fish made of gold, EL DORADO!!!
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Posted: Sat May 30th, 2009 05:23 am |
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| All these restaurants serve smoked tuna, but they call it marlin.
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Posted: Sat May 30th, 2009 06:32 pm |
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"All these restaurants serve smoked tuna, but they call it marlin"
That wouldn't surprise me in the least. Striped marlin is a lot whiter meat than most tuna. For other species, after smoking, may be tough to know for sure.
On the other hand, they could serve smoked marlin and call it tuna...
Either way I will share my sentiments with the restaurant owners. I get the sense that if enough do, they'll get the message.
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Posted: Sat May 30th, 2009 07:03 pm |
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I am skeptical that the "marlin" they serve is actually smoked tuna. The manager at Marina Terra told me it was "smoked dorado" but he gave me a taste and it did not taste like dorado.
However, this misses the point: if customers order "marlin" from the menu, that will simply drive up the demand for commercial harvesting of illegally caught sportfish. Personally I am more concerned about the billfish which should not be on any restaurant menu (particularly in San Carlos), but Vince makes a valid point about dorado since there is no legal commercial fishery for dorado in Mexico.
Dick
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 05:12 am |
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Please tell me a restaurant in San Carlos that doen not sereve Dorado.
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 12:43 pm |
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| Dick..good point...and they would probably ignore complaints about dorado. My recommendation is to focus on eliminating marlin from the menu.
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 04:17 pm |
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If you only wish to eliminate Marlin then you miss the whole point. Why is a marlin of more value than a dorado? They are both protected by the same law, Article 68 of the general law of Mexican fishing.
Many of you may or may not know this but dorado is a principle food source for juvenile bill fish. That means that if the dorado are lost then the bill fish will go somewhere else to find them. Whether you like it or not they are closely connected.
San Carlos can either get on the band wagon like Baja Sur or we can continue to live in hypocrisy and just look the other way for one species and forget about the other. It all comes down to profit, the restaurant operators want to make money form a dorado by selling them. They will continue this as long as the community lets them. This is unacceptable in the Baja. I guess it is ok here though.
Perhaps the other fishing charter company's, Catch 22, Jon Jen, Hattie Annie, By Tag, Ocean Sports, should be posting a response to this. How about it guys, is it ok to take Marlin off the menus of local restaurants and leave Dorado there? I am interested in your responses!!
Why don't all of us, tourist operators and residents alike, challenge the restaurants and hotels here to obey the law in regards to Article 68. To be honest with you catching and releasing just isn't enough anymore, we need to take it to the next level if we want to have a clean conscience and drink our Don Julio in peace.
What do you all think?
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 04:34 pm |
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Sopa de tortuga - ceviche de dorado - marlin tacos - fillet of swordfish! You guys really know how to hurt a fat boy! Hit him right in the stomach! LOL
My favorite restaurant in Hermosillo, out by the airport, used to serve sea turtle in a variety of dishes. Used to look forward to bowling tournaments in Hermosillo, just so I could eat some real turtle... not cauguamanta! That was 25 years ago...
The "Cavern" in Nogales Sonora had a decent turtle soup... After the fire gutted the La Caverna, management relocated and took the same menu and opened "El Cid" ... then turtle was placed on the endangered species, and my turtle soup became turkey soup in beef broth with a little essence of turtle ( turtle oil, I was told )... I started eating salad... and you can have the imitation crab that came along because the real item became cost prohibitive for the majority of us "landlubbers"!
I can get steak & shrimp here in Nogales... Looking forward to fresh anything ( seafood ) in San Carlos in a couple of weeks!
I support your stand on marlin, but may order a dorado dish or two if we don't catch one and can get a local restaurant to prepare it for dinner a couple of times, while we are there!
Rick
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 06:10 pm |
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Hey Guys - Help me out here. I am on you side. There are a couple of things I didn't know until I moved to San Carlos. I DID NOT KNOW what a long liner was when I moved to San Carlos; now I HATE those guys. Oops I'm sorry, I should say that I DISLIKE those guys with a passion. I DID NOT KNOW the difference between a Marlin and a Sailfish, I am not sure I know the difference now. I DID NOT KNOW you ate those things, I thought people just mounted them on walls, and then I ate some smoked Marlin.(I thought I was eating food that was made for the gods). It was most excellent. I DID NOT KNOW that that Dorado is called Maui Maui and Bull Nosed Dolphin in other parts of the country. I never ate any until I moved to San Carlos. Now I would Kill. Oops I'm sorry. I should say I would severely beat someone about the head and shoulders for Dorado.
So this is my problem. I am not a sports fisherman. I would love to be, but I just can not afford it. I have been told that a good rod and reel cost over $1000.00 and charters cost $100.00s US. It would be like me buying a cow every time I wanted a steak. I have hinted to a couple of the local men's groups that I would love to go fishing but no one has asked me. I do not know why, I am handsome, interesting, fun and housebroken. Thats what my wife and kids tell me.
So again Guys - Help me out here. I am on your side. Where do I go to get these wonderful treats without breaking or encouraging
someone else to break the law.
signed
Poor Gringo in San Carlos.
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 06:11 pm |
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As you mention Rick the good old days are over. I don´t want to sound alarmist but if you were working on the info I have you would realize that Dorado are extremely vulnerable and studies show that at the current rate of commercial fishing, in 40 more years they will vanish from the oceans of our planet.
Does that make that taco de dorado taste any better now?
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 07:03 pm |
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Vince Radice wrote: As you mention Rick the good old days are over. I don´t want to sound alarmist but if you were working on the info I have you would realize that Dorado are extremely vulnerable and studies show that at the current rate of commercial fishing, in 40 more years they will vanish from the oceans of our planet.
Does that make that taco de dorado taste any better now?
I believe in conservation and preservation, not extermination!
I hinted that with Dorado (Mahi Mahi) there is a grey area for me... You and others have implied that by leaving the females to reach adulthood in order to spawn, and only keeping/killing the Bulls(males) to eat, that the species is very "Prolific".... Right?
As a sportsman you have to draw a line, as to what you kill for sport, as opposed to what you kill for food! Take deer in the midwest as an example... when they are left to themselves and not cultivated in measured hunts or by natural predators, they become a nuisance, and a danger to traffic on roadways!
In fishing; I too, believe that you need only kill what you intend to eat, and the Sportsfishing industry in general is applying the principles that will allow all species to propagate and multiply and become trophy size ( photos at the boat when released and not at the scales when caught and killed)...
Now commercial fish kills can be regulated also... but the government has to enforce their doctrines and laws, to prohibit the waste that greedy commercial fishing operations can inflict on an over fished area...
Don't get me started on the garbage that the world is placing in the ocean, and never thinking the damage this pollution is going to cause to the coastal waters as it will affect tourism in the way of beach sanitation, and fish habitat....
I support your efforts, and applaud your tenacity when dealing with the Mexican government... I will do the same when it can be prooven to me that Dorado is an endangered species...
Rick
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 08:12 pm |
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Rick, if you speak Spanish and have access to Sky on channel 628, Tomorrow at 5:30 pm on a program called Expressiones de los Cabos you can watch our documentary and expose. It will be shown over a three night period.
I don´t know how much info you have on fisheries but I have a lot. I do not know how long you have been fishing the area but I can tell you from first hand experience and historical records that the average trophy dorado is a lot smaller than he used to be. I have seen the studies that show dorado populations world wide are crashing. Just like all fish stocks. If you believe dorado can not be an over exploited resource then you perhaps have not been paying enough attention to the issues. I don´t know how long you have been diving here in San Carlos but I can tell you that if you see a shark on a dive site here it is practically a miracle and you should thank your lucky stars for it.
Ask any of the old time fisherman here about dorado populations and I think you would get over 90% of them telling you how bad it is. I just came back from Mazatlan where I interviewed a Mexican sport fishing captain with 40 years of experience sport fishing. He was almost in tears recollecting how it used to be and how it is now. He even admitted how the sport fisherman used to take 50 dorado per boat back then. In Mazatlan you have to go 40 miles off shore and fish around the FAD´s now that have been placed by commercial fisherman to catch dorado commercially if you want to catch a dorado sport fishing.
I don´t know what more proof there is than that.
I know that dorado taco still tastes as good but there is some doubt in my mind that your children will ever get the chance to enjoy that same taco de dorado.
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 08:39 pm |
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Just obey the already in place limits and leave your opinion off our dinner plates.
freedom of choice rules!!!!!!!!!!!!
Peace
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 09:10 pm |
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You are very well informed, as your documentation would indicate, and the documentary will most notably show! I would appreciate a taped copy if your have a source, after the airing of the program. I do not have access to Sky for viewing at first showing, or I would be a most interested viewer!
I don't dive, but have done an occasional snorkeling adventure on the ocean. I have been fishin' most of my life, and living in southern Arizona most of it, makes me appreciate the water and its fishing habitat, whether it be lakes, rivers, or oceans! I caught a 90 lb. sailfish in 1974 in Mazatlan, and had it mounted ( the last trophy I stuffed ), and I debated whether it was going to be worth the money to taxidermy the fish in Mexico City and have it shipped back to Tempe, where I was living at the time. Like my roomate said "You may never catch another sailfish again!" So $1200 dollars and a couple of months later I had an impressive trophy that has moved with me 7 times over the last 35 years! I have since donated it to one of the local watering holes, where it gets more attention in the last 4 years, than it did in my living room the previous 30! LOL
I will eat a dorado that I catch in San Carlos; I will catch and release any billfish I catch that will survive the ordeal as gently as I can cause it to be released to be caught again by your grandkids!
I'll try not to order it off the menu... but no guarantees....
Again, you're preaching to the choir... and I do appreciate the time and expense you are incurring in your valliant fight against the commercial overfishing, and long line poaching of indiscriminant species. Keep up the good work!!!!
Si, Yo Habla Espanol Tambien!
Rick
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 09:40 pm |
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Gracias for that Rick, I will have a version in English manana!!!! And we all know that that means.
Thanks for the support!!!
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