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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 12:36 am |
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I STARTED TO WATCH THIS...IT IS SO SO SAD ITS THERE COUNTRY NOT OURS TO CRITICIZE...THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN WHAT´S HAPPENING RIGHT HERE EVERYDAY....ALSO POSTED ON WHATS UP SAN CARLOS WEEKLY REPORT...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-eWlzy5Pko
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barato
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 01:29 am |
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words fail me. yeah, let's clean even those small snappers & grunts off the reef. made me sick....but then i thought back to all the stupid and wasteful stuff i used to do when i was a kid and didn't know any better 
of course, just like US dope consumption drives the cartels, worldwide demand for comml seafood drives this. they're not doing this for fun. maybe forward this to your non-fishing friends?
are parrotfish even good to eat?
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| The other one about the longliner catching 400 dorado in one day is pretty interesting. Is that where they are? Had no idea one boat could catch that many in one day. fishingnut
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 03:57 pm |
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| Its like Jon said its Mexico we are just visiting Vince has been a advocate for revising Mexicos fishing laws which Im fully behind but I think its time we all stepped up to stop being critical of a country which we love but they dont understand the not so future effects of there fishing ethics The past posts of supporting fisheries probaly only financially supported by U.S.D. in conjunction with convincing our own locals to obey fishing laws & WE as anglers obeying laws is the only future the sea of cortez has. I know its different when you go nada nada for two days then the third day you find a barn door floating holding tons of fish & you decide to make up for the past days , but be realistic How much can you eat & must of us dont have any friends anyway so lets all try to be a little more consrevative Im as guilty as anyone but trying to change
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bartmanaz
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 04:58 pm |
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marti gras
I agree with you 100%. We who visit and fish in Mexico are at times much to quick to criticise the fisheries management practices of our hosts. Pick up a copy of Marlin, Sport Fising or any of the other major sport fishing publications and read the articles and editorials that point out the complete hash that has been made of ocean fisheries management in the USA. Our practices here are nothing to imitate.
Bart
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 04:13 am |
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| That video made me sick!!! It won't be long before all the fish are gone!
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 02:26 pm |
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| I've been whining about the declining fisheries for the last ten years, but it never seemed like anyone was really listening. I'm glad I got to see some of "the good ol' days", hunting and fishing both...
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 02:51 pm |
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| Do you call spearing a fish at night while it sleeps in its nest hunting? What is next, going to the Zoo to shoot a deer.
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 04:58 pm |
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casey wrote: Do you call spearing a fish at night while it sleeps in its nest hunting? What is next, going to the Zoo to shoot a deer.
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bahiatrader
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| My brother-in-law just bought a pen-raised seven-point bull elk to turn loose on his ranch in Central Oregon. I wonder what he's going to do with it. Attachment: Ken's elk.jpg (Downloaded 374 times) Last edited on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 04:55 am by bahiatrader
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Posted: Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 10:17 pm |
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| FYI..Go snorkel Martini Cove and then snorkel Deer Island and look and see for yourself..then go to your favorite clam area and dive and then go to your favorite anchorages and listen to the Pangeros at night...then toss a line for your favorite Trigger hole in shallow water and see what you get...this isn´t a joke guys its real and we don´t have a ranch to turn to...we only have the beautiful Sea of Cortez so lets all do our part...release the Turtles, small female Dorado and all Bill fish...
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Posted: Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 11:51 pm |
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| I decided to go bottom fishing today to get some dinner for me and some of my friends. We went to Asedo ( white rock 22 mi. North), where we have ALWAYS filled the box with cabrilla, triggers, etc. It was terrible !! Came back to another favorite hole, and it was the same. Barely came back with enough for one dinner, much less 3. In over 5 years, I have NEVER had a bad day at Asedo. Something is very wrong with our fishery.
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bahiatrader
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Posted: Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 11:53 pm |
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You're right jonjen. That diversion was out of place in a serious thread, and I apologize for my part in it. I've "hung out" with the pangueros and locals. I've even helped put out nets. Never long lines, though. The only way for the problem to be solved, or at least stabilized, is for them to change their attitude on conservation. You illustrate very well what I'm talking about. It wasn't sport fishermen who wiped out shellfish beds, disrupted the food chain by wiping out the shrimp, etc, etc. I consider myself an educator, and I've hammered my head against the stone wall of that attitude for nearly 20 years. Since 1989 anyway.
We can and should do our part, but I think the real solution lies in getting them to understand their personal effect on their environment and future. I'd be doing my damndest to do that if I still lived in Mexico. I've got a boatload of environmental horror stories that I've personally witnessed. On the other hand, Ciudad Victoria, the capital city of Tamaulipas was the cleanest, best maintained city I ever saw in all of Mexico. It was all because of civic pride. I hope somebody figures out how change the fisheries attitude.
A few years back, some of the locals around San Carlos started calling me Sr. Ecologista. I was a little flattered by the nick name, but at least my attitude was known. We've got to do our part too.
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bahiatrader
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 06:55 pm |
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Perhaps I can shed a little light on how to solve the fisheries decimation problem. It's not our country, but it's our world, and our environment. In order to have an effect on the attitude of a group of people (such as fishermen and pangueros) It's necessary to understand their culture. Every culture has it's own weltanschauung or world outlook. Allow me to illustrate this by passing on a Chinese Fw that's going around on the inernet:
嗨
今天我又来给你讲笑话啦
恩, 有一个儿子
他对他的爸爸说
爸爸爸爸, 将来长大以后
我想去北极
当个探险家
他的爸爸说
哇! 好啊好啊!
我的儿子真棒
真有志向
不愧是我的儿子呀!
然后儿子接着说
爸爸, 那我能从现在就开始练习吗
爸爸很纳闷
从现在开始练?
怎么练呀?
儿子说: 很简单呀
您每天给我一块钱,
我去买冰棒
然后等我长大以后
就能适应北极寒冷的天气了
您说呢
啊这个孩子太有意思了
真是够聪明的
哈哈哈 觉得这个笑话还有意思吗
下次我再给你讲点其它更有意思的吧
今天就到这里了
BYE BYE
or roughly translated from Mandarin;
A Son's Goal
Hi
I am going to tell you one more joke today.
There is a son.
He told his dad,
"Daddy, when I grow up,
I want to go to the Arctic
and be an explorer."
His dad said,
"wow. That sounds wonderful.
My son is great.
So ambitious.
That's my son!"
Then his son continued,
"Daddy, can I start practicing from now?"
His father was confused.
"Start practicing now?
How?"
The son said, "simple.
Give me one kuai (unit of Chinese money) every day.
I will use it for an icecream.
And when I grow up,
I will be used to the cold weather in the Arctic."
What would you say?
Ah! This boy is really something.
He is really smart.
Haha, do you think the joke is funny?
Let me tell you an even funnier one next time.
That will be it for today.
Bye Bye.
This is extremely humorous to a Chinese person. You be the judge. The few Mexican jokes I know aren't suitable for telling in mixed company, but from my gringo weltanschauung, I didn't find them all that funny.
For those of you who are too lazy or stubborn to learn to speak Spanish (or more properly Mexicano), you probably need to undersand the language to understand the culture.
PS. Unless you are very skilled and somewhat adventuresome, don't download any Chinese character translation software onto your computer. It took me nearly three days to clean up the mess from that. Just keep turning loose the females, peanuts, and billfish. I find dorado, bottom fish and tuna to be far more palatable than billfish anyway. How many of you have a cooler big enough to keep a billfish on ice until you can process it?
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Vince Radice
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 07:38 pm |
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Jon I agree with you that this is not a joke. But overfishing in San Carlos will not be dealt with untill the San Carlos Tourism community, or Sonora Tourism if you like, makes it an issue with the local State & federal government. Only then will it become an issue.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 07:49 pm |
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| They're going to have to come down on them really hard or the illegal harvesting will continue. The poachers don't give a hoot in hell about the law, it's only the enforcement that concerns them. Last edited on Mon Aug 25th, 2008 07:50 pm by bahiatrader
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 08:16 pm |
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bahiatrader wrote: They're going to have to come down on them really hard or the illegal harvesting will continue. The poachers don't give a hoot in hell about the law, it's only the enforcement that concerns them.
Interesting comment - I would say the same applies to other aspects of fishing in San Carlos, such as license requirements and limits, by residents and non-residents alike.
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 11:53 pm |
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Enforcement is a big part of it. But when sport fisherman see something going on that is wrong the authorities must be notified. In Baja violations are immediatley reported and the Navy responds by boarding and inspecting boats. Just last week a shrimp boat from Mazatlan was confiscated in Loreto because sport fisherman reported it, the Navy was notified and the boat confiscated. It had 1.5 tonnes of Dorado on board. As I have mentioned in other posts the squeaky wheel does get greased, but you have to make a lot of noise here before someone gets out the grease gun.
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barato
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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 12:11 am |
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Vince, you make a good point. any idea who should we contact if we see something illegal? i'll keep the info on the boat so i have it handy. thanks.
this discussion also brings up the importance of document document document and why you should have your camera when offshore. i was thinking, as i read Steve's recent report of turtle release, how easily the longliner could have claimed that he was stealing fish or that any confrontation which might have ensued involved his crew threatening the pangero instead of vice versa. you don't want to be in a swearing match with someone willing to get nasty and do the Big Lie cuz they got caught with their hand in the cookie jar. cuidate!
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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 09:58 pm |
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Vinney so many times we have seen it mother ship with Panga in tow...who do we call and how do we arm the grease guns...channel 16 or what #s...does this go for longliners also???? We all should have these #s...thanks everyone for responding to the post and really showing concern...jon and jen and the animal family...
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