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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 10:45 pm |
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Well the fish seem to be warming up (at least on the reef in) and biting better. I've devirginized seven people with their first billfish over three days in the last week. So nice to have billfish in the spread, hitting multiple lines, and esp. taking pitch baits.
I don't know if this is the rig for small dorado, and maybe even give it a little more time than a typical short drop back for a dorado, but it seems to be working great.
Rig up a regular circle hook rig with a crimp in front of the crimped hook. Off the top crimp attach a 3 inch section of line. Slide your small lure up the extra section of line. Below the lure you can attach an egg sinker to make it heavier. You will need something to keep the lure on. A crimp works for some of my small jet heads or maybe you can tie it on with some wire or line. I have the spiral spring head locks with a wire holder on some. You can just run a copper wire off the crimp below the lure to tie your bait on. The spring heads may keep it running straighter. I use the copper wire for extra safety and to keep the spring from sliding off if the wire holder is straightened out. For the least splash and greatest exposure of the circle hook to do its job, try to get the tag line long enough so the bend of the circle hook rests at the top of the head of the lure.
After reading a recent article on the mortality rates of j-hooks (50% on fish that looked healthy) I couldn't help but switch everything over.
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 11:27 pm |
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Very nice rig Bryan. Welcome to our small but growing club. You should shoot a photo of the rig so it can be posted here and on the Cantina Cup website. We have lots of bait rigs but no lure rigs.
By the way, the Cantina Cup is again a qualifier for the 2009 IFGA Offshore World Championship. Bonnier Publishing picked up the event. I put a list of their magazine publications below. Eagle Claw has already sent us a mountain of #8 and #9 tournament legal hooks. Start practicing and we will supply the hooks. Any anglers that are considering fishing the July 4th Blowout with c-hooks should contact us so we can get you some hooks. We will make you promise to use them though.
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 12:08 am |
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yeah Bryan take a picture & post oh no camera !! Have Jon take a picture & post.
Mateo are the hooks from Eagle the same black wire type ?
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 12:32 am |
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good to hame more c-hooks on the water. im glad
on one of the magazines i bougth this month they had many c-hook rigs with skirts even for sierramackarel and squid. will post them soon
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 04:03 am |
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Nice work Bryan! I would love to see how you did it. I have experimented with different skirted ideas using circle hooks, but so far have had most success on naked ballyhoo.
The Eagle Claw circle hooks have been great, and glad to have them available to practice so early in the year. Good for Eagle Claw to step up and sponsor the Cantina Cup again this year too!
It's nice to hear some positive thoughts rolling on circle hooks. It's the future of bait fishing as I see it. Better hook up ratios and better hope that released fish will swim another day. I can't wait to get back to SC and drop a salty fish in the water. Adios. MB
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 04:53 am |
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Yes Mark these are the wire hooks. More specifically they are Lazer Sharp L2004EL 8.0 and 9.0 non-off-set hooks. This hook is endorsed by the Billfish Foundation and is responsible for setting the world record for most Marlin caught in one day last December (190). These hooks will straighten if you apply more than 10 to 15-lbs of drag...by design. Extreme care must be taken during the wire
The hook is not meant to be removed from the corner of the mouth of the fish. It is supposed to be cut, left and allowed to rust out, usually within 2-days.
The heavier gauge non-offset hooks allow for 50-lb gear, with 15 to 18-lbs at the hammer to be utilized with more confidence. I have been seeing heavy gauge Mustad and Owner c-hooks that are tournament legal alot lately. Must mean this thing is catching on.
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 05:57 am |
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| pictures please?? it would help a lot!!
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 02:31 pm |
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tecate wrote: Yes Mark these are the wire hooks. More specifically they are Lazer Sharp L2004EL 8.0 and 9.0 non-off-set hooks. This hook is endorsed by the Billfish Foundation and is responsible for setting the world record for most Marlin caught in one day last December (190). These hooks will straighten if you apply more than 10 to 15-lbs of drag...by design. Extreme care must be taken during the wire
The hook is not meant to be removed from the corner of the mouth of the fish. It is supposed to be cut, left and allowed to rust out, usually within 2-days.
The heavier gauge non-offset hooks allow for 50-lb gear, with 15 to 18-lbs at the hammer to be utilized with more confidence. I have been seeing heavy gauge Mustad and Owner c-hooks that are tournament legal alot lately. Must mean this thing is catching on.
Mateo So the Eagle Hooks are Laser Sharp Wont belly hook a fish and will flatten out if to much pressure is put on a fish preventing both major causes of death exhaustion & belly hook & given the fish the best chance of survival regardless of the anglers experience Its a no brainer Im on Board thanks
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 03:36 pm |
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The Ducks would like some hooks
Please
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Posted: Mon Jun 16th, 2008 08:59 pm |
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| Stupid computer. I think I just wrote an hour long explanation and the picture was too large. I guess it's time to read the picture tutorial. Fernando, do you give lessons?
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Posted: Mon Jun 16th, 2008 09:04 pm |
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Bryan...shot me an emai...I actually sent a step by step guide to a friend to upload pictures with screen captures...it is really simple and besides the pictures is on a different server so it's better for the board. (i think  )
falmada@hotmail.com
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Posted: Thu Jun 19th, 2008 01:00 am |
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I guess that it will still have to wait another day.
How about the snelling or rigging of circle hooks with the leader run into the hook from only the barb side. It was just printed up in Marlin I believe. If it is crimped on then the loop wraps around the hook from the back with both ends exiting the hook to the side with the barb and the crimp on the barb side above the eye. It looks like it should work well. I think I'll try it first before I convert everything though. The only drawbacks look like it might create more splash and not work as well for fast dorado bites. It looks like it holds the hook more solidly to get into the corner of the mouth. Maybe you don't want too much loose swing on a circle hook?
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Posted: Thu Jun 19th, 2008 03:15 am |
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Repsilon
In my never to be humble opinion, it is critical to fasten the c-hook to your leader with one of the methods illustrated in this months issue of SportFishing. When drag is applied to the line, the snell or looped crimp will act as a pivot point where it enters the eye of the hook. When the line enters the eye from the barbed side of the hook, the pivot is inward, increasing the hook-up ratio. Unfortunately, that pivot point also becomes the weak point while wiring.
"All truth passes through three stages: first it is ridiculed; second, it is violently opposed; third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
- Arthur Schopenhauer
I plagiarized that quote from another board, regarding the use of circle hooks in blue water fishing!
Have Fun!
Suerte
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Posted: Thu Jun 19th, 2008 11:19 pm |
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El Tecate speaketh wisely. While we were in Cabo, we snelled all hooks as you described and every leader broke at the point that leader entered the loop of the hook. We only lost one fish due to leader breaking at the snell while the fish was still running. They all broke right at the boat when the mate put lots of pressure on the leader....trying to break the fish off. We were using 50# flouro for leader and it was a striped marlin that broke off while running....our boat couldn't really back up to chase it.....another story.
The moral of the story is that the snelling technique works and may offer a little better hook up ratio, but you had better be careful when the fish is at the boat if you plan on keeping it.
I'll be in San Carlos over the 4th of July and I'm happy to show anyone how simple snelling is. Maybe Tecate can show how simple bimini twists can be. MB
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Posted: Sat Jun 21st, 2008 12:41 am |
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| Thanks for the input guys. I'll have to test some out pulling on land as not much testing is happening on the water right now. Maybe on Sunday!
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