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Posted: Sun Jun 8th, 2008 04:50 pm |
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Looking for some advice for fishing from 6/18-6/21. I plan on coming down from Tucson with two adults and three 13-yr old boys. Would like to charter a captain/boat (based on your recommendations), but I will also have a 10' Achilles dinghy (w/10hp) and a 12' aluminum (w/15hp) for close to coast fishing & spearfishing (could use some fishing location advice here as well - I just bought a fishfinder, maybe that will help).
In my past, fishing has been pretty poor during full moon; however this could simply be an excuse for my skill level. Wondering what you folks think? I do have an opportunity to push it a week. Appreciate the help.
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Posted: Sun Jun 8th, 2008 06:33 pm |
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Reef dwelling fish like yellowtail, cabrilla, and others are more active on the tide leading up to the full moon. Feeding slows down usually the day or day after the full moon. Pelagics like tuna, dorado, Marlin, and Sailfish usually do very well around the period of the full moon.
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bartmanaz
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Posted: Mon Jun 9th, 2008 12:54 am |
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Also see our solunar tables on the main web site.
Bart
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Posted: Mon Jun 9th, 2008 05:22 am |
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| Thanks for the info. Looks like we are back on schedule.
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Posted: Mon Jun 9th, 2008 03:51 pm |
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I will give you my 2 cents during a full moon pelagics will feed all night with the light of the moon. So in my time here (18 +yrs.) full moon fishing is not as productive as no or little moon just my opinion here in SC.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 06:53 pm |
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That is very interesting. I learned to fish Saltwater in the San Carlos area and started coming down there in the early 60's and spent a lot of years there. The local thought was the same thing, that the moon had some effect on the bite of reef fish and for years I accepted that as the correct information. I now fish mostly on the baja side and live there but have found that the correct correlation is the tides not the light of the moon. I print out the monthly tide charts in a graph configuration and can plainly see the tide swings from high to low. Those days of the month that have the starting of tide swings that are more extreme have the best reef fishing days for yellowtail, cabrilla, and others.
If you look over the billfish catch records for major tournaments like Bisbees and others you will find that the full moon actually is a good fishing time for billfish species. I suspect this is related to the tide and not available nightime light either, but have no real proof at this point. When fishing Mag Bay during the November pile up where you can have 100 fish release days, I find that the full moon is certainly better than the new moon, so again I suspect it is somehow tide related.
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Posted: Sat Jun 14th, 2008 06:43 pm |
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| What Internet site do you go to for the tide graph?.
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Posted: Sun Jun 15th, 2008 12:04 am |
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| Go up above and click on the solunar tables link - you will see the tide chart link there.
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Posted: Sun Jun 15th, 2008 03:37 am |
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http://tbone.biol.sc.edu/tide/tideshow.cgi?site=Santa+Rosalia
since you are on the other side of the pond, you will want to put in Guaymas or San Carlos,, Sonora. This is the most effective site I have found to get the info and what I do is put in the Graph function for a 30 day period and it helps you to mark the neap and spring tides accurately. When the tide swings to the upper and lower mean marks, then you know that things are going to be popping on the reef.
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justme
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Posted: Sun Jun 15th, 2008 11:42 pm |
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Jim I do not disagree about bottom fishing my point was pelagics that live on the or near the surface most of their lives.(I know thread was about bottom fishing just my 2 cents on pelagics) Here in SC we have huge numbers of squid that live deep they are attracted to light therefore come up at night when there is a full (or nearly full) moon where the pelagics are so the fish eat at night and are not as hungry during the day. I fish the Bisbees almost every year and have not noticed a difference moon or no moon I do not think they have as many Humboldt's if any there. But here most of the time IMHO #'s are better with little or no moon. Another thing I have noticed is when I do get dorado and tuna here on a full moon when filleted they have lots of squid and big tentacles in their stomachs no moon they have lots of flying fish and sardines. Of course this is only my honest opinion from experience here in SC. Your point on bottom fish well well taken I do not do much bottom fishing and have never seen a humbolt on a night dive. BTW nice site on tides..
Good luck
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Posted: Mon Jun 16th, 2008 06:32 pm |
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In Hawaii, the time around the full moon was the best. I wonder if in areas like Hawaii and Cabo where pelagic fish may reside in deeper water near offshore sea mounts, that more don't come in closer during the full moon to feed on squid that may be coming up higher in the water column, and when the tides are greater causing greater upwellings and other bait to be near the surface.
I guess I haven't really tried to pin my success too much down here on the moon phase. Just go fish!
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 04:14 pm |
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OK, this all raises a dumb Q: if the pelagic stuff is gorging on squid all night when moon is full, why aren't people out fishing for them at night then? works well for broadbill in the Atlantic. not near as exciting as a topwater attack on trolled treats, sin duda......but if the alternative is that black & white weasel....???
i have no idea what i'm talking about here and am just musing....there may well be stuff i hadn't thought of that makes it impractical.
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 05:14 pm |
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barato wrote: OK, this all raises a dumb Q: if the pelagic stuff is gorging on squid all night when moon is full, why aren't people out fishing for them at night then? works well for broadbill in the Atlantic. not near as exciting as a topwater attack on trolled treats, sin duda......but if the alternative is that black & white weasel....???
i have no idea what i'm talking about here and am just musing....there may well be stuff i hadn't thought of that makes it impractical.
Your comparing fishing for swordfish which there fishing depths at night are depths typically more than 200ft from surface Ive never heard of anyone ever fishing for marlin at night & there is only one person in SAN CARLOS that CLAIMS to have caught swordfish there
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barato
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 05:34 pm |
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| sorry, i wasn't being clear....i wasn't talking about fishing for broadbill out of SC, just wondering whether the technique used there, of live bait fished at night, might work during these periods when marlin etc are stuffing selves with squid at night. i realize it might be a crackpot idea; just wondering if anyone had ever tried it here. Last edited on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 05:35 pm by barato
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 02:38 am |
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I guess that there are too many tipped back during the day. I've seen some nice ink squirts this year and I know that there are nice small and medium sized squid out there. I sure wish someone would load up and have some nice 12-18" squid for us to pitch bait. You won't find me twenty miles out jigging for squid at night though.
I remember having to hang out for an hour before sunrise last November off of Carmen and hearing big fish jumping under the moonlight. I'm sure that live squid at night would work if you were that die-hard.
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 03:28 am |
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| We used to hear those stories about the yellowtail feeding at night on the full moons so I used to go out at night. Now in the old days at San Carlos we stayed at the Shangri La Trailer park and the beach there was loaded with cartop boats and that is the primary boat that we fished off of. So here I was, out there in the middle of the night trolling lures and live bait out of a 12 - 14 ft. cartop. During that time there was a reef which was pretty close to shore and the cartop armada fished it pretty hard so they named it Social Security Reef. Never did catch a fish and finally figured out it was an old wives tail and that not much was going on. I did however go out oftentimes in the late afternoon when the tide was right and cleaned up on yellowtail and the good news was that there were no other boats out there to put the fish down when they came up on a boil.
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