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Posted: Mon Nov 26th, 2007 10:33 pm |
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 I am interested in purchasing a ponga to be used in San Carlos. Does anyone know of one for sale new or used with or without engine. Also, would you dry dock it and what is the market price? Any info shared would be appreciated. Will they stand up to 30 foot swells?
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Posted: Mon Nov 26th, 2007 10:50 pm |
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Even the panga guys aren't crazy enough to go out in 30 ft. swells! Can they stand up to it? Maybe. But you risk getting swamped for sure!
Here are some custom panga makers for you:
http://www.androsboats.com/index.cfm
http://www.pangamarine.com/
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Posted: Mon Nov 26th, 2007 11:13 pm |
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Hightide and those looking for a boat. I saw this on Baja Nomads
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=28111
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2002 18ft stringari pilothouse with 115 yamaha four stroke
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Boy, it is a shame I just recently bought a new boat because this is one of the best boats I have ever fished on in Baja. I have been out in some really rough water and this boat handles everything with ease and safety that this design has mastered. The owner is meticilous with maintence and caring for this boat and it is garaged all of the time. This is a rare opportunity.
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Posted: Mon Nov 26th, 2007 11:16 pm |
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Hightide
Contact Pescador on the Baja Nomad board. He has done extensive research on pangas made in Baja
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Posted: Tue Nov 27th, 2007 12:49 am |
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| Thanks, You have been very helpful!
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Posted: Tue Nov 27th, 2007 04:23 pm |
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I have a panga for sale. I have taken it to the island (San Pedro) a few times but would say it's more of an inshore fishing boat rather than offshore. She is a non-planing hull which means that she pushes lots of water and doesn't go so fast. Private Message me and I can give you a bit more info if you're interested.
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Posted: Tue Nov 27th, 2007 04:30 pm |
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What size outboard and asking price with trailer. How old is it?
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Posted: Tue Nov 27th, 2007 04:32 pm |
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My email is emailme77@comcasst.net
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Posted: Wed Nov 28th, 2007 01:22 am |
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hightide wrote: Will they stand up to 30 foot swells?
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HighTide
Was this a serious question? When do you expect to be in 30' swells? What type of open, outboard boat do you think can accomplish this. Tell us more. That's a very interesting question.
By swell I'm assuming you don't mean a nice smooth wave with a long period. As that would be another story and really is what a swell is, but you don't see those on the SOC.
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Posted: Wed Nov 28th, 2007 01:52 am |
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| Serious question, if your in the mouth of SOC with a 5 hurricane bout to hit Cabo! It would be fun to surf a 30' swell in a panga, open ocean, especially if you weren't worried 'bout yer fricken life! Last edited on Wed Nov 28th, 2007 02:30 am by peacemakers
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Posted: Wed Nov 28th, 2007 02:55 am |
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I was querring to see what type of swells a panga would take safely. Saran Wrap is out of the question.
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Posted: Wed Nov 28th, 2007 03:02 am |
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Posted: Wed Nov 28th, 2007 03:03 am |
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| Thanks for the lead!
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Posted: Wed Nov 28th, 2007 03:13 am |
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| All good bro, I want a Panga too.
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| Stuart, how rough of seas has your Pro-Kat been in? Are you able to charge through most of the seas on the SOC? I wouldn't enjoy any big swells in a panga like the one below, and I think it is one hell of a panga. jmichael Attachment: 34b6.jpg (Downloaded 179 times) Last edited on Wed Nov 28th, 2007 03:08 pm by jmichael
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Posted: Wed Nov 28th, 2007 05:08 pm |
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I have been in 8 to 10 footers a few times in the ProKat. And there's no "charging" through them. I don't care what kind of a boat you're in, it's going to be a wet ride in the Sea of Cortez. That's not so much due to the size of the swell, but the interval of the swell. Unlike the open ocean, the Sea of Cortez has a very short interval swell. The further north you go up to Puerto Penasco, the shorter the interval. Two things at work here: 1) it's shallower water, and 2) the tide movement is more dramatic. When the wind and tide are working in the same direction, you can live with it. However, put a strong NW wind against an incoming tide and you get extremely short interval, sharp-faced waves that are absolutely miserable to navigate either head or following sea. Been there, done that, learned the lesson. If it's blowing in Penasco, stay onshore. I've had a few wet rides in San Carlos, as well, but in my opinion, the seas are a little more forgiving there with a big swell because the water is so much deeper. Seems like I've had a lot of 2nd day of the tournament rough rides!
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Posted: Wed Nov 28th, 2007 05:09 pm |
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There are two types of Panga. The traditional type which has a flat/shallow V hull. It is designed for in shore calm weather use, primarily as a displacement fishing vessel ( will get on the plane with a large enough engine) and are relatively inexpensive and made in Mexico. They are easily swamped.
A "modern" Panga is usually made in the USA and has a medium /deep V hull and is much stronger and more seaworthy but at least double the cost and can be as long as 30ft. and are generally self draining.
Even a modern Panga would have serious problems in steep short seas over 5 ft. and a traditional one would be outright dangerous.
Long swells are not the problem; short steep seas are. Even the coastguard rigid hull inflatable rescue boats are only rated for about 25 miles offshore, and if you wanted to buy one of those the cost goes up another 100%.
Be carefull
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Posted: Wed Nov 28th, 2007 09:55 pm |
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Stuart,
I can't imagine 8'-10' chop in Penasco. I had our Mako out in 4-5' chop last Sunday and have to say it was very uncomfortable heading into the swell at over 6 knots. The tide was outgoing & the swell was coming from the east with an east wind of 15 knots. We tried to make Bird Island (following reports of yellowtail & dorado just to the south) but the brand new bilge pump died when we got to with 12 miles. Heading back downswell was easy @ 15 knots but heading cross swell was very difficult and the boat was very unstable. I could see how a trip back from the 51 could easily take 6 or 7 hours in those conditions. How does your cat handle the mixed cross seas?
Back to the topic,
Amata makes some nice modern Pangas. They are located in Ensenada and there are a few that usually show up for sale in So. Cal.
When I lived on Kauai as teenager, we went out a few times in 20'+ swells in a 19' center console. Luckly there was no wind & they were probably around a 17-20 second intervals. I don't think there would be much problem with a 14' tin boat in a smooth, long interval 30' swell. but it wouldn't take much change in the weather to make 30 seas deadly to a 40'+ sportsfisher.
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Posted: Wed Nov 28th, 2007 11:56 pm |
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Hey Sixty,
The cat does well in chop (any direction) to about a foot or two. Cuts through it like butter and I can usually make decent speed (20-25 mph). If the waves get much above that, I start to take a pounding like anyone else and have to slow way down. I put the trim tabs down and trim the motors in tight to force the bow into it as much as possible and duck everytime she sneezes.
The 8-10's I mentioned were actually experienced in my old tin boat, a 23 ft. Bayrunner. Decided to spend what was a beautiful night at the 51. Woke up in the morning with a south wind howling like the dickens and some very nasty seas. You're right - that was about a three or hour trip back in, white knuckle the whole way. Buoyweather can be your friend, but it never predicted that! Sea of Cortez = Wind Outta Nowhere!
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Posted: Thu Nov 29th, 2007 12:01 am |
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8' to 10' isn't chop! 1 to 2 is chop. When I think of a swell I think of waves with a long period (interval) generated hundreds of miles away. You can take almost any boat out in even a 20' swell with a very long period. You find those on the West coast in the Pacific. We have very few swells in the SOC, maybe when a hurricane is blowing way down south or there is a storm over near Baja. We have lots of wind waves with a short period impacted by tital conditions.
I've been in 20' swells on the Pacific. The only thing that scares you is you can't see anything when you are in the trough. Being in 8'-10' footers on the SOC is a hell of a lot more scary.
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