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Posted: Wed Oct 24th, 2007 02:58 am |
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I have a couple questions and I thought I might as well as the experts! Ijust bought a good jigging stick from bass pro shops ( I think). Its a offshore angler freestyle jigging stick oe66mht 6,6 med hvy act.5-8.5 oz. lure wt. 50-100lb. line rod. I have it paired with a Accurate 500/501 aluminum reel with high speed steel gears. I am not sure what line to use or if this is even the right setup for jigging yellowtail. I dont know much about braids,super lines or spider wire. Any info on the above would be great. What would be the ideal set up for yellowtail jigging? I have some Penn jig masters but I dont know what Im doing. YET!!! Thanks Guys, Mike
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Posted: Wed Oct 24th, 2007 04:55 am |
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| Mike - LONG, bumpy, beer-ful day today. Tomorrow, the IronMan sheds his rusty summer cocoon. Will advise........
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Posted: Wed Oct 24th, 2007 06:24 am |
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| Didn't get to hack it myself. The crew spent forty minutes at it with iron. Tried short and long off San Anotonio - no luck. Bonita and esp. Sierra slaying off San Antonio and esp. from the harbor entrance out to Doble. Many 7-8#, one went 11#. An experienced captain said it was 7 Kg. Bites were all w/in a minute. Filled a huge cooler in two hours. Black and silver Yozuri Hydro Mags, Yozuri crystal minnow deep diver, Rapala X-rap, whatever .... A few nice bonita mixed in. Bring on the Tail. I swear I was thrown off as lit up Sierras came in following their brothers looking for some regurgitation. Will make a tuna/Mulege whatever stab on Thursday. Must go long! Drooling for himache (s.p.) though.
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Posted: Wed Oct 24th, 2007 05:08 pm |
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| I've been using PowerPro line lately simply because I can put more line on a reel. There's no memory and no give or stretch to it, so it's pretty sensitive. I traded 20 lb. PowerPro for 10 lb. fire line on a small (Abu 3000) casting reel because it is the same diameter. Possibly because of the increased friction of the braid as opposed to the smooth mono, I was unable to get as much distance. I haven't decided whether it was a good trade off in that instance, but I like it otherwise.
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Posted: Wed Oct 24th, 2007 05:35 pm |
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Craig,THE Ironman, today is yesterdays tommorrow, I also am awaiting your sharing of knowledge. It's time. Ron
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Posted: Wed Oct 24th, 2007 11:39 pm |
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Hey Craig, I await your advice! No big hurry unless the fish are biting!! I still dont know the difference between one type of a line and another. I guess I am a stupid ass. I was raised on nothing but mono. fishing line. Ive tried to figure it out but I get confused. Hybred lines, braid,low stretch,no stretch, braided super lines, spider wire, blah blah blah !!!! HELP MEEEEEE Later, MIke 
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Posted: Thu Oct 25th, 2007 12:40 am |
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Hi Mike.
I'm not a fishing guru or anything like one, but I've used various types of line. I grew up using 36 and 52 lb. braided Cuttyhunk linen on my level winds because that was supposed to be the best there was. In the 50s I started using a spinning outfit with mono, but I went to braided nylon on my level winds. I finally learned to use mono on level winds in the 70s after numerous tangles and rats nests.
When the kevlar or spiderwire lines started coming out I tried them and liked them. I went on a party boat in the 90s for tuna, and they wouldn't allow me to use my kevlar line. They said it would cut othe people's lines. I don't know how that is now, because even though I caught fish, one time on a party boat was enough for me.
In the last few years there's been several good braided and multi-strand lines come out, and I've tried a few of them. I like the new braided lines because there's no stretch and increased sensitivity. Currently I've been converting all of my ocean reels over to PowerPro line because it's supposed to be the strongest for it's diameter. It lays on the reel nice, and there's no memory, so you don't get loops in slack line like you do with mono. I even use it on the spinning outfit I use for surf casting. That's my two cents worth. If "The Ironman" doesn't get back to you, maybe that will help you make a decision. Buenas suerte.
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Posted: Thu Oct 25th, 2007 05:47 am |
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For anyone still jigging with mono ... take it off! The superbraids are so superior for jigging.
Found all the Sierra today just past the "Boat on the rocks" rock at the harbor entrance to the right entrance to Martini cove. The inside tip of Doble and a little around was also excellent. Stay in close, within thirty yards. Social Security reef (24ft deep, line up the radio tower and the big white island and San Antonio with Doble) was also loaded.
The deep diving Yozuri crystal minnows are the ultimate Sierra and Bonita lure. Lots of boats at San Antonio but didn't see many being caught at the time.
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Posted: Thu Oct 25th, 2007 07:07 pm |
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| When using braids for jigging do you guys use a short mono leader?
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Posted: Thu Oct 25th, 2007 07:15 pm |
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| I use heavy mono or wire for a leader.
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Posted: Thu Oct 25th, 2007 09:10 pm |
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| Bahiatrader, thanks for some really good info. I bought a couple of 114s a couple of years ago for halibut out of Ninilchik on the Kenai. I don't remember the exact quantity, but they came prespooled with a "topshot" of something like 60 or 70 yards of mono on top of the Powerpro. When I first opened the box,I thought I had been taken until the gentleman told me how they were rigged. He told me the reasoning was for shock absorbing. Kinda removed some of the sensitivity, but again on the halibut the "feel" wasn't as necessary, you knew what you had. Does anyone still rig like that, or more depend on the pole for the shock? Just had some questions as to capacities also on a given reel. So as not to have 2 jillion yards costing 2 jillion dollars on a big reel, how many yards mono backing do you need of a given diameter or test and still have room for 400 or 500 yards (or whatever you deem necessary) of a given diameter or test superbraid.? I did find a site that might help unless someone has an easier method. Go to Google/type and clik on "thesmartfisherman.com/3html"/"reel capacity" should come up, clik on that. Thanks again, Ron
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Posted: Thu Oct 25th, 2007 11:29 pm |
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My Alaska halibut fishing days were over before the superbraids started coming out. I do remember that sensitivity wasn't really required. I prefer to get all the sensitivity I can. My boat rods are fairly fast tipped, but strong. The rods are built to take up the shock. I like to know what's going on at the other end of the line as much as possible. The rod will take care of the hard work.
I went to the smartfisherman.com site, and read the article. It's all right on the money, and makes sense. The numbers are good.
I however, have a different philosophy. Fishing is my most important form of recreation. I've learned a lot of lessons the hard way. I don't get to go as often as I used to, and I want to ensure that I' always have good line to use. I fill the reel from the axle out with the same line. I've lost nearly half my line a couple of times. I just went home, spliced a piece in, and refilled the reel. Everything the same. If something strips all of my 100 lb. down to 50 or 75 lb backing, I'm in trouble. No thanks. These new lines will also last a lot longer than the old ones. I've got some 80 lb. spectra I've had for almst four years. I tested it before I went to San Carlos in August, and it would still pick up 80 lb. When I'm not using it, I keep it stored in a dark place. I don't think I could buy three spools of good mono for what I paid for the spectra. If it gets frayed, shorten it, splce it, or turn it around. I pretty much use mono for leader only these days except for some of my ultra light fresh water gear.
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Posted: Thu Oct 25th, 2007 11:58 pm |
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| Bahiatrader, thanks for your insight, good common sense, I appreciate the advice. Sent you a PM. Ron
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Posted: Fri Oct 26th, 2007 07:11 pm |
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OK, I'm back and have been through "detox" - it was a rough couple of days with the buddies!
First, my views on rods are to buy quality graphite composites for jigging - they are lighter and won't wear you out as fast. I use Seeker Black Steel rods, but the CalStar Grafighter is identical in weight and performance. They're not cheap, but I shop ebay until I get the price I'm willing to pay. For spinning rods, my amigo Fernando has had excellent luck with the Shimano Talavera spinning rods. As far as the size/rating for the rods, they use different "scales" from one company to the next, and some rods are now rated for specific line weights of Spectra. My favorite Black Steel rods are the 660H and 670. The 660H is a short 6' rod for 40# line, the 670's are 7' for 30# line. All of my reels have PowerPro Spectra as backing, with a 100-150 yard topshot of of mono. The 40# rigs have 65# Spectra, the 30# rigs have 50# Spectra. There are two reasons I set up this way:
1. I change the topshot every time I fish; not always every day (but I do if I suspect any damage), but every trip. The Spectra has a 10 year lifespan, but mono that gets stored in anything but controlled conditions deteriorates rapidly. It is just a lot more cost effective to buy the Spectra once and only replace the short length of mono. GOOD mono is expensive too if you are changing 300+ yards per reel.
2. I use small reels that would have limited line capacity if filled with 30# or 40#. With the Spectra, a small Torium 20 holds 300 yards of 50# Spectra and over 100 yards of 30# on top - plenty to work with if you do happen to hook a big fish jigging 250' deep. I am going to try the Torium 16 for 30#this year, and that will mean even less line capacity. I have a full complement or bigger 40 and 50 Trinidads and Toriums, but they are overkill for the typical San Carlos sized fish.
As far as the fishing this week, day one was 45 miles of ROUGH water to fish the bluer water off of Tortuga - one small dorado, one knockdown and one marlin that wouldn't bite. Day two, we got some of the quality Sierras fishing by Mr. Repsilon at the mouth of the harbor, went to the Island and filled the ice chest with good sized bonito and a nice cabrilla. We had a couple of fish on the wire line rods that I think were yellowtail, but we'll never know. We tried jigging the south end for a while without a strike (note to self - must exercise before claiming to be IronMan..).
We ran up the coast to Gerardo's secret bottom fish spot and loaded up on nice sandbass, calicos, and a few cotchis. On the way back, we ran into a huge spot of birds working two spots of fish off of San Antonio. The fish outside were skippy's, but there were yellowtail tearing up bait right on the point. We trolled the wire with big XRaps for my "non-casting" partners while I tried throwing jigs from the bow as we came up on spots of fish. Got bit twice on the scrambled egg 6X Jr, but just couldn't keep them on.
We tried one evening and the following morning for corvina from the shore, but never got a bite. We stopped to throw some Krocodiles and Megabaits at the camping/beach east of the Mirador (can't remember the name..) and got a bunch of small sierras 12"-18" at the biggest. My three buddies went home happy with an ice chest full of nice fillets.
Thanks again to Gerardo and Catch 22's Pez Vela for taking care of the boys - he did the best job possible to keep them on one kind of fish or the other.
Tight Lines!
 IronMan
PS - While there is nothing wrong with the rod and reel you asked about, it does sound like a heavier rod than you need, and the 501 is a good reel, but the 4:1 retrieve means you have to crank a lot faster to get the same lure speed. Try the Torium 20 and you'll be amazed at the ease of casting, smooth gears, strong drag, and the 6.2:1 retrieve.
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Posted: Fri Oct 26th, 2007 11:48 pm |
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Craig,
I always enjoy reading your posts and have learned a lot from you over the past couple of years. Have you tried any of the AVET reels? I sure like them a lot and they are just coming out with one that is specifically made for fishing for wahoo with iron and it would probably be a great reel for yt as well. They are reasonably priced for what you get.
Chip
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Posted: Sat Oct 27th, 2007 01:05 am |
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Thanks for the kind words Chip! I do have an Avet JX that is a very nice reel with two issues: the anti-reverse is not "instant" like the Shimanos and it is easy to bump the lever drag into free spool when you're casting, trading hands, and get bit on the sink, etc. I really do prefer a star drag for smaller (under #30+ pounds) like we catch. I really think the "Hoo-X" is too big for our type of fishing; it is meant to hold a bunch of 80# Spectra and 50#-60# topshot capable of stopping BIG wahoo.
My other favorite I forgot to mention is the Newell "S" series. I have an S332-5, S338-5, S344-5, and S533-5.5, and you cannot beat them for castability and great free spool. I do have to get them worked on more frequently than the Shimanos, but they cost 1/3 the price of a Shimano. I would highly recommend the S332-5 for anyone learning to cast The Iron. They are also the lightest reel on the market in a given line size. I always replace the composite crank with the metal crank from a "P" series Newell just because I use a LOT of drag when I jig and do a lot of hard cranking when I get one turned.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29th, 2007 02:18 am |
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Oh yeah - I do not use braid without mono because it is so difficult to cast perfectly every time without major backlashes. If you are dropping jigs straight down, it is ok, but in deeper water and strong current, I find it necessary to cast up current to give the jig time to hit the fish zone before you are pulling it up under the boat.
Any more sign of YT, or is everyone back out in blue water?
Craig
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Posted: Mon Oct 29th, 2007 02:48 am |
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| I guess it must be what you learned with. I started out learning to use braided line on a conventional level wind type reel. I really can't remember having any backlash or rat's nest problems after I was about 12 years old. When I started using monofilament on a level wind, I had a HORRIBLE time! I know I must have spent hours of good fishing time untangling the mess on my reel. I'm happy and grateful even now when I make a long straight cast with mono. Since I went back to using a braid on my reels, I'm comfortable, and I've had no problems casting. It seems that I don't get the distance with braids, everything else being equal, but distance isn't everything. I use good graphite rods, and they take up the shock. I'll take sensitivity over stretch any day.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29th, 2007 03:09 am |
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Been reading the reel/line stuff with interest. Has anyone but me switched to spinning reels? I have been using Shimano Stellas now for over 5 years, usually loaded with 50# braid and whatever type of leader, usually about 6 or 8 feet is appropriate. Most of the time I use either 50 or 80 pound mono. Most of my jigging has been for snapper, grouper, tuna and aj's. Haven't caught yellowtails yet but intend to correct that oversight soon. Are they really that different from other jigging type fish?
With the good spinner you can drop, cast, max out drag, use live bait, whatever. Never a backlash, even when casting into the wind. At Cabo I use them to drop back live cabalitos to whatever..sails, dorado, stripe or roosterfish. I have not hooked a really big marlin on them, but they hold about 600 yards of 50# braid so that is the limitation.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29th, 2007 03:20 am |
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| I used a spinning outfit with PowerPro casting to dorado under flotsam last summer, and it worked great.
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