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Stuart
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Posted: Fri Sep 21st, 2007 04:14 pm |
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AcuDoc wrote: My worse seas...70 foot swells! I was on the USS Enterprise between the Phillipines and Hong Kong in a typhon. The flight deck is 53 feet above water and the bow was going into green water. Are we having fun yet???
Aviation Electrician Second Class Petty Officer
VS-29 Anti-Sub Warfare
S3a (jet sub chaser)
1972-76
Crikey, AcuDoc!
We have more in common than I realized. North Atlantic, swells breaking over the flight deck of the USS America. When the seas make a floating city like an aircraft carrier heave and ho, you know it's some rough stuff!
Aviation Antisubmarine Warfare Technician, Second Class (AX2)
VS-28 "World Famous Hukkers" (based in Cecil Field, FL)
S3A
1976-1979
I also worked with VS-41 and spent 8 years in the Reserves working in the ASWOCs at Patuxent River, MD and Coronado, CA. 
That seems so long ago now...
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Posted: Fri Sep 21st, 2007 10:12 pm |
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VS-29 was in teh hanger next to VS-41, they were the framp squadron (training for S3's
North Atlantic is suppose to be very bad, I just did the westpac thing.. good typing at ya. If in SC lets have a beer!
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Posted: Fri Sep 21st, 2007 10:56 pm |
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| Pinging for Russian subs, allutian islands , berring staits 1959, HS-4, USS Yorktown CVS-10. Waves breaking over the flight deck. colder than shit. frozen mocos on the bigote.
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Posted: Mon Sep 24th, 2007 12:11 am |
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| 12 times on the water now without being sea sick!!! It might not seem like a lot to you guys, but for me it' a record and a joy. I've been a dive master for 30 years and been fishing SC for 12 years and have always had some sea sickness spells. I've tried the scopolomine ear patches, wrist bans, electric shocker wrist ban, ginger, bonine and dramamine and still got sick. Last year I had an inner ear infection and vertigo, my doctor prescribed 25 mg. of Meclizine 1 or 2 tablets which helped greatly. So I tried it this summer at SC and for the first time ever I could look down and tie knots, smell engine exhaust, the water was pretty rough all week and never even felt the slightest bit sick. Now this is prescription only, and it worked for me so check with your doctor and see what he says, and I would not try it while diving. Also there is a beverage call smooth sailing thats help with sea sickness, there website is http://www.smoothsailing.us Good luck BJ
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Posted: Mon Sep 24th, 2007 04:52 am |
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I took a look at "smooth sailing" and I'd be surprised if it worked. It has been my experience that most of these products, including most of the herbs you buy in health food stores, do not have enough active ingredients to be effective.
Even though they showed many studies on how effective ginger "sheng jiang" in Traditional Chinese Medicine is for smotach problems and I agree it is going to take more then they probably have in their product.
A few years ago I saw two separate studies, one was on 20/20 I think and the other from the University of Chicago if I remember right. Both studies went to random health food store throughout the country and tested various brands of herbs. Both studies came up with almost the exact same numbers. It was something like 65%+ did not have enough active ingredient and around 21% didn't even have the herb in it! Now this is from memory from a few years ago but I think I am close.
This is because they are considered food supplements and unregulated. We as acupuncturist and herbalist have been trying for years to get herbal medicine regulated. The problem is "they" have more lobbists then we do.
70% of all western meds come from an herb. I like to tell my patients that I'm in my 50's and have yet to see a aspirin tree anywhere. Although it did come from a tree. It came from the bark of the willow. What western med does is break it down into its molecular compound, finds out what part of that compound makes it do what it does, and then they make it synthetically. Even the birth control pill came from an herb...the mexican yam!
My advice for herbs is to get them from some trained in them. We spent two years studying herbal medicine as part of our education. The person behind the counter at most health food stores is a sales clerk not a herbalist. I can't tell you how many times I've been in a store and over heard mis-information. Plus in my view you are throwing your money away. On top of that herbs can do harm if you do not know what you are doing as you are self medicating. I've seen it happen. Plus the vast majority of times we do not use one single herb, you really want a balanced formula.
Just my opinion but I have some knowledge in this area.
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Posted: Wed Sep 26th, 2007 02:07 am |
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| Patches are Scopalamine )prescription_ do not know if thye have them in Mexico. They work like a charm. Also like wrist bracelets and ginger
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Posted: Wed Sep 26th, 2007 12:33 pm |
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| Thanks for the help everyone!!
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Posted: Wed Sep 26th, 2007 04:16 pm |
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| I looked for Scopalamine in a couple of Mexican pharmacies, and they didn't seem to know what it was.
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Posted: Thu Sep 27th, 2007 03:17 pm |
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| Vontrol is by far the best seasick remedy that I have found. I used to have to take it all the time before I got my sea legs. It works fast and lasts. Take one about a half hr before you go out and another if you start to feel sick. It also works well even if you don't take it until you get sick. I have asked at the phamacy and been told that it is safe for children also. I have witnessed a 300lb man recover from seasickness in about 20 mins after taking one pill. I have also given it to kids on my boat with excellent results. I have never experienced or witnessed any side effects from Vontrol.
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Posted: Sat Sep 29th, 2007 08:33 pm |
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Keep the horizon in view. Stay on deck and out of the cabin. Diesel fumes will make you sick, even on land. Try and keep the wind in your face. Don’t spend a lot of time looking at things close up or below the gunwales.
This is the toughest one, don’t drink too much the night before….. 
Most remedies work to some degree as long as you get them in your system well before you get on the boat.
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Posted: Sun Sep 30th, 2007 02:02 am |
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Good tips from B4. I would also agree about not drinking too much the night before but would also add not eating rich food. I sailed 3000mile trip without being sick but a few weeks later ate rich food and too many beers and upchucked the following day. My racing skipper who has sailed round the world twice did the same thing. Good party though!!!  
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Posted: Sun Sep 30th, 2007 02:02 pm |
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Scopace is the stuff you want, available at US pharmacys in pill or patch, need Dr.'s perscription.
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Posted: Sun Sep 30th, 2007 04:36 pm |
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The patches are actually a version of scopolamine..require a prescription in the us..may be over the counter in mexico. Be sure and read the warnings. I just started fishing here and am used to the gulf of mexico where 4 footers are a good day. There having something for use was common..actually bonine works very well. Take one the night before and 1 just before getting on the boat. There is a psychological component to this for some people, so, for some people, anything might work. If you tell them it will work, it works. The dramamine stuff makes most people very sleepy and that is no way to have fun fishing. Also, keeping your eyes on the horizon instead of looking down helps and no one does well breathing diesel fumes. For some, this just comes with the territory. I have seen many get well quick in a school of dorado.
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