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Posted: Tue Nov 14th, 2006 01:17 am |
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They're on the chew in Rocky Point at the 51. We had a wonderful flat day for a change. This one took a live mack on our first drop of the day. Weighed in right about 26 lbs. My friend Dennis, the proud angler with the fish.
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Posted: Tue Nov 14th, 2006 05:56 am |
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Niiiice!!! I've never caught one of those...they sure are tasty 
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Posted: Tue Nov 14th, 2006 10:18 am |
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How come you always have pictures of things we don't catch? Nice fish!
 Craig
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Posted: Tue Nov 14th, 2006 03:23 pm |
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Well Craig, you need to take a ride to Puerto Penasco sometime and fish with me. The northern Sea of Cortez is a different animal than the southern part. Bottom fishing now through the spring brings us all kinds of fish that just don't seem to be around San Carlos. Or maybe were around at one time, but got fished out. The shallower water makes a difference, too. 50 miles out at this reef and the water is only 270 ft.
Although we didn't get one this trip (and that's fine by me), several boats caught black seabass. My buddy Shawn on Murphy Girl caught two - a 50 lb. and one weighing in at 155 lbs. Lots of big red snapper, halibut, and in the spring, big white seabass. We do occasionally get some yellowtail, too. You would have been proud -- I actually threw some iron and was jigging off the bottom with a chrome Salas. 
The halibut are a blast to catch and are one of the best eating fish in the Sea of Cortez. They are hard to hook up, though. We lost one right at the boat that was barely lip-hooked and had at least 5 others come undone on the way up. We drift for them with live macks or sardines on a 14/0 circle hook. We'll occasionally catch one on anchor, but drifting is better because they are truly ambush predators that sit there and blend into the bottom until a tasty morsel comes floating their way. When they pounce, they hit hard. I'm making some stinger rigs to attach to the circle hooks because the halibut seem to be masters at short striking the bait and not setting the hook. We did manage to get two nice ones in the boat, but as I'm sure you know, you do a lot of ^%#$@&#* every time you know you have a nice one on and he spits the hook!
As much as I love trolling in San Carlos in the summer, I wouldn't give up my winter months bottom fishing in Puerto Penasco. That's why I trailer the boat - gives me the option of fishing in either place, even though towing is a pain in the (hali)butt!
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Posted: Tue Nov 14th, 2006 03:33 pm |
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Stuart...I hear you...
I'm san because the top water season is over now...but on the other hand I love bottom fishing too so on the winter I still get to go out and have lots of fun...I wish we had as good bottom fishing here as many years ago, but as you said, overfished 
I'm going to go to that 51 reef in PP one of these days...I do get some good pargo at the island, but nothing close to what you catch up there!
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Posted: Tue Nov 14th, 2006 04:26 pm |
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Stuart,
The stingers were real popular when I worked on the boat out of San Diego; usually a short wire section with a smaller treble hook attached. They used a lot of rubber swim baits, like the Fish Trap, for halibut, but we never fished that deep for them. They were usually on the sandy bottoms in 100 to 200 feet, so using even a large swim bait might be hard in 270 feet. You ought to try the BIG Salas PDQ jigs with a big stinger fly (like a rock cod yarn rig) above the PDQ - at 14 ounces, they will get down quickly, and the stinger above often attracts other fish to bite it.
I will have to get to PP some day and give it a try - I too am a bottom feeder at heart! As near as I can measure, the 51 is the 231 from San Carlos, so I won't make it until I drive there!
Don't hide in PP all winter!
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Posted: Thu Nov 16th, 2006 10:39 pm |
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To those of you in the know. How far is it by boat from San Carlos to PP? And is there anyplace to buy gas other then Keno Bay?
Inquiring minds want to know
MexicoMel
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Posted: Fri Nov 17th, 2006 12:52 am |
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Once, while fishing a sardine tournament, Ponce de Leon and I measured it at 280 NM .... +/- the prevailing drift of the tidal currents.
 Craig
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Posted: Fri Nov 17th, 2006 01:08 am |
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| There are no gas docks at Kino. You have to go to the gas station for gas or diesel.
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Posted: Fri Nov 17th, 2006 03:30 pm |
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Dave wrote: There are no gas docks at Kino. You have to go to the gas station for gas or diesel.
Exactly. I've wanted to make the trip (by sea) from Puerto Penasco to San Carlos, fishing here and there along the way, particularly along the Midriffs. I think I have the range to do it at cruise, but it sure would nice to be able to get some gas in Kino without having to jerry can 100 gallons or so out to the boat.
I've been thinking about one of those inflatable fuel bladders, but I don't want it taking up deck space. Might be able to strap it on over the cabin area at the front of my boat and pump it into the tanks after I burn off some of my initial load of fuel.
I hold 250 gallons as is and average about 1.5 mpg (statue) running 32 mph on decent water at cruise. The numbers say it's possible, but the reality of hitting some strong winds, rough seas, or strong currents are real and don't leave much room for error. I don't think I would do it without some back-up fuel.
But, I am bound and determined to explore the Midriffs one of these days, even if it means having to jerry can fuel in Kino to make it back to Penasco.
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Posted: Fri Nov 17th, 2006 05:21 pm |
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Stuart- I have 2Ea 50 gallon Ruber Blader Tanks I use to go Non-Stop to Cabo with ( You are More than welcome to use them any time) they work great, I have a Hose and Pump system That I use to fill my main tank as soon as I have burned Enough to make the transfer, It works great and we can do while we are Moving, They fold Up to about the size of a 5 gallon Gas Can and we store Them In the engine room....they really work well & Take very little space
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Steve
I think I still owe you 200.00 dollars for Lures, are you ever comming back to SC ??... I feel Bad and would Love to pay you !!!!!!!!!
PS. Nice fish !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Fri Nov 17th, 2006 07:06 pm |
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Thanks, Steve! Good info. One 50 gallon bladder would probably be enough for my boat.
Not sure when I'll be back down to San Carlos, but I hear the yellowtail calling. I just started a new job in Sept. and it's tough getting any time off right now. Maybe between Christmas and New Year's I can get a few days off.
That's why Puerto Penasco is so convenient - I can head down Friday, fish Sat. and maybe Sun. morning, and still make it back up the road for work on Monday. I need at least a few days to do a San Carlos trip because it's full day on the road down and a full day back.
I could look for a job in Tucson, I suppose!
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Posted: Sat Nov 18th, 2006 06:23 pm |
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Or play the Arizona Lottery and win and move to San Carlos.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19th, 2006 04:01 pm |
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stuart
when are you going to pp again Ilive in Glendale and have the 26 ft trophy (ALL IN)
The guy I got the boat from had it at cholla bay Ive never fished PP but would love to try it Also craig is in san carlos he could bring the fuel bladder back & I could get it from him if you like & get it to you ( email me @ mraconinc@ msn.com) or post here Thanks Mark
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Posted: Mon Nov 20th, 2006 02:51 pm |
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Hey Mark,
I'll be heading to Penasco again the weekend of Dec. 9/10. Tides are fairly flat that weekend and that's one of the keys to successfully fishing the area. Hopefully the weather will cooperate. I have a full boat that weekend - it's an annual trip I take with a few of my long time buddies.
No need for the fuel bladder right now. I probably wouldn't make the long-range trip until late spring or early summer. But thanks for the offer!
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Posted: Mon Nov 20th, 2006 11:52 pm |
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Stuart I appreciate any info I can get about PP I can pull my boat down there on the 10th of dec. if I canget some local info that would be cool Thanks alot & craig if you read this & want to go let me know
mark
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Posted: Tue Nov 21st, 2006 12:16 pm |
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See our Rocky Point site for more info.
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Stuart
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Posted: Tue Nov 21st, 2006 03:10 pm |
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Didn't know you were getting into the Rocky Point business, Bart! Learn something new everyday, I guess!
Mark - There are two more sites you can visit (you'll need to register, they are free)that have active fishing forums for the area. I frequent both of them and am a moderator on one of them. Lots of good info about fishing the area. If you have specific questions, send me a PM and I'll answer them for you. You are also welcome to give me a phone call. Send me a PM and I'll give you the number. I'm in Tempe.
http://www.rockypointonline.com/RPForum/default.asp
http://www.rockypointonlineinfo.com/
If you can drag Craig along with you, I'd be happy to buddy boat with you guys and show you how we do it at the 51.
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Posted: Tue Nov 21st, 2006 05:59 pm |
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Hey Stuart,
I will have to try for a trip there before the billfish get back next year. I have to hone up for the yellowtail tournament from now until February, and am searching for a bigger boat to buy this winter.
I used to fish the closer reefs, out to the 26, on the pangas out of Cholla Bay. I don't recall anyone even mentioning the 51 when I used to go (15 years back), but I guess it would have been hard to find before GPS. How big is the area you fish there? It looks like a really hot spot!
Craig
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Posted: Tue Nov 21st, 2006 07:30 pm |
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Hey Craig!
The 51 is a fairly deep reef, about 270 ft. It's not huge, but I have several GPS marks on the reef itself that are always productive. The main mark is right over a big rock pile and is generally the best spot to fish. Takes a little work to anchor up on it correctly, but when you do, the action can be non-stop. I have some other marks, like a 53, but that's nearly 400 ft. deep. Lots of baqueta and gulf coney there. You're absolutely right - I don't know how anybody would have found the 51 without GPS. You're too far out to have a good visual reference to either Baja or the mainland side.
Like you, I used to fish the pangas. Some of those guys were amazing. No electronics at all and they could take you out 23 miles and put you right on top of the reef. I have always had a lot of respect for those guys; they really know the local waters.
Many of the best coordinates in the area have come from the shrimp boat captains over the years. They keep detailed logs and know where all the reefs are located because they don't want to hang their trawling nets up on them. Some of them do, though. We have pulled up pieces of nets at several of the reefs on occasion.
Timing with the tides and good weather are essential to having a productive day there. Live bait also makes the difference. We generally spend an hour making macks before we head out there.
The closer reefs are still productive, as well. Some free-divers had shot several nice grouper at the 22 last time I was down there.
So, what's that you say? You got a bigger wallet? You're going to need if you get a bigger boat! Anything in particular you've got your eye on?
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