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PQ Almada
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Posted: Fri Sep 29th, 2006 01:18 am |
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I remember Mexico had a "tuna industry" embargo by the U.S. because the mexican fleet was having dolphin accidentally being killed in the nets...why is it that no one will do anything against Japan? How can they do this and just get away with it? This is no accident!!!!
Watch the video and get ready for a heart break,  
http://www.glumbert.com/media/dolphin
this really s*cks!!!!
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Wy Ynot
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Posted: Fri Sep 29th, 2006 01:40 am |
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| You are right, absolutely sick. Living here in the high plains of Wyoming, I would have no clue who to write to, complain to, cuss at, or just plain hang. I would side with our President if he used the old Texas saying "wanted, dead or alive". That is truly hard to watch. I am not an activist, and I am a fisherman and many years a hunter, but NOT LIKE THAT. If you have any information on how to help, what to do, where to start, please publish, I would try to help. Ron
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Posted: Fri Sep 29th, 2006 02:19 am |
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| I WILL send that with a request for a response from my Congressman and Senators. I could not watch after very few minutes - BARBARIANS!
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Posted: Fri Sep 29th, 2006 03:30 pm |
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| This ruined my day. The thought of this activity continuing sickens me. As Ron asks, what can we do to help? Joe
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bartmanaz
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Posted: Fri Sep 29th, 2006 04:40 pm |
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Here is a link to an organization dedicated to putting a stop to this. Included is a list of Japanese officials that one may contact to protest.
http://www.earthisland.org/saveTaijiDolphins/
You might also consider dropping a note to your congressional delegation, both Congress and Senate and to the Japanese embassy in Washington, advising them that if this does not stop they can forget about selling you a car, TV, stereo, whatever.
http://www.embjapan.org/english/html/index.htm
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Wy Ynot
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Posted: Fri Sep 29th, 2006 05:22 pm |
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| Thanks Bart, 2 good places to start. I don't think you have to be a "PETA Person" to be outraged on this one. I'm thankful they don't have access to our national elk refuge in Jackson. Ron
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Posted: Fri Sep 29th, 2006 05:28 pm |
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While the video is indeed disturbing, it's no worse than some I've seen from slaughterhouses here in the U.S. How revolting would it be to a Hindu (where cows are considered sacred) to watch a U.S. slaughterhouse video? Is it the fact that it's Flipper on the dinner plate that somehow makes it worse than butchering a cow for a nice fat steak?
Don't get me wrong, I don't support the Japanese actions in way, shape or form. However, eating whale and dolphin has been part of their culture for thousands of years. Personally, when I look at this, I don't think "Yummy!" only because I've been raised in a culture where dolphin is not considered a food source.
Are you prepared to give up your Big Mac? Think about it before you get all PETA. Videos like this are designed to elicit an emotional response and by the reaction here so far, it's working. It's only purpose is to shock your sensibilities, play to your emotions, and elicit an angry response. Don't fall for it. Look past the shock value of the video and you'll find very little fact or substance.
We (the U.S. in general) need to stop being so hypocritical and trying to impose what we see as "morally" decent on the rest of the world. Americans eat beef. The French eat horsemeat. Many Asians eat monkeys. Some Mexicans eat sea turtle. The list of "what's on the menu" around the world is as varied as its creatures.
The only problem I have with the Japanese is that they are far too efficient at raping the seas. If they eat a few dolphins or whales (within agreed to conservation limits or guidelines), I personally have no problem with that whatsoever. When (and if) it is proven that have violated an agreed to treaty or conservation limit, then indeed they should face stiff penalties and sanctions. The video mentions "treaties" in passing, but is not specific.
Go ahead, light the flamethrowers and have at me.
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Posted: Fri Sep 29th, 2006 05:47 pm |
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Everyone should start their protest by getting rid of all Japanese products... and never support any Japanese companies. Get rid of all your "made in Japan" stuff today.
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NEVER buy from that country again until they fall into line. No more reels, fishing poles.. line,, engines ... no more depth sounders, GPS's, radios, ... hum,, where does that leave this discussion board.. is it hosted on a Japanese computer?
(I personally NEVER buy foreign made stuff.. only the good old "made in the USA" for me.. now wait a minute.. this monitor says Made in Japan... Guess that I must sigh off. and get rid of this too.........)
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Wy Ynot
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Posted: Fri Sep 29th, 2006 05:58 pm |
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| Stuart, you are of course right, especially in the efficiency of the deed, they are also very good in what they do in Alaskan waters. And the shock value filmed, fantastic, really works. I probably felt the same emotion the first time I came across a long line in San Carlos 20 some miles out on a 180, Key word, I didn't understand, still don't. Much like I see the posts back when of local charters killing billfish, you that spend more time there than I were also outraged. Look what we here in Wyoming did to the buffalo, moreso to the people they provided for. We do not kill our stock in public in any slaughter house in Wy., much less drag it down the road. Again, maybe the outcry is "in public". I realize you aren't in agreement with them, just had to fire back as you said, I guess I didn't have enough challenge in my life already. Make it a great day, go drown a Ducecita or something a little more fun. Ron
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bartmanaz
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Posted: Fri Sep 29th, 2006 06:12 pm |
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Stu and Anonymous-good points, both.
I was just trying to answer the question of where/who to complain to.
As to the board, my system was custom built in the USA, the backup is by HP and our main servers are Silicon Graphics.
And no I am not going to deep six my Shimano reels. 
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Posted: Fri Sep 29th, 2006 06:17 pm |
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Stuart,
Our first spat!!!
I can look into the dull, seemingly mindless, glazed stare of a cow and eat them in peace - as you say, it is our culture. As to eating these intelligent, cognizant creatures, that habit comes from a time when we as humans were not fully aware of the porpoises intellect. I have to believe it is a practice, rather than the culture, reserved for the ultra rich, like eating platters full of delicately prepared poisonous pufferfish. I wonder if you would be more outraged if it were a group of mountain gorillas or chimpanzees being herded, drug behind trucks, having their throats slit to bleed to death - just because some ethnic group thought they taste like chicken!
Maybe when the tiny island nation is so overpopulated that the injured, aged, weakest are pushed into the sea...............
'Nuff said
Sadly Yours,
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Posted: Fri Sep 29th, 2006 07:22 pm |
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bartmanaz wrote: As to the board, my system was custom built in the USA (with components manufactured around the world), the backup is by HP and our main servers are Silicon Graphics.
I love addressing this one! You forgot something Bart. I edited it for you in red above.
I recall standing in a congressman's office in the Capitol Building in D.C. when I worked for ITT. We were demonstrating some computer equipment for them that would be used on a federal contract. Various congressmen were filing in and out, looking at the equipment. I was there just to make sure the equipment worked. One of the congressman addressed me (the technical guy) directly, rather than the salesman.
"Son," he said, "Is this equipment built in the USA?"
"Why yes sir, it is manufactured at our headquarters in Tempe, Arizona." I answered.
"What about the parts inside it?" he asked.
"Our circuit boards are built at our headquarters, too, sir" I answered, which was true.
"So, this computer is 100% made in the USA?" he asked.
"Yes, sir, as far as I know." I answered.
Good thing he didn't ask me to remove the covers because if you looked in detail at any of the circuit boards, you'd take a trip around the world - Maylasia, Taiwan. Japan, UK, etc. Virtually every chip, diode, and resistor was built somewhere else. The same is still true today for most circuit boards. Heck, cars, toasters, you name it -- the components come from all over the world.
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Posted: Fri Sep 29th, 2006 07:35 pm |
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No Sniveling wrote: I wonder if you would be more outraged if it were a group of mountain gorillas or chimpanzees being herded, drug behind trucks, having their throats slit to bleed to death - just because some ethnic group thought they taste like chicken!
Nope. Chimpanzees are endangered in the wild because they are being hunted and eaten. I hear spotted owl and totuava both taste pretty good. Giant panda in fondue sauce is also supposed to be excellent.
Yes, Craig, I'm pulling your chain.
Is the method used in the video inhumane? You bet it is. I wouldn't argue in defense of that for a moment. But, watch this video and tell me if it's any different, okay?
That's my whole point -- those doe-eyed cows you don't mind eating suffer every bit as much as the cute, intelligent little flippers. So, where's the outrage about the Big Macs?
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Posted: Sat Sep 30th, 2006 04:41 am |
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Yes, it's equally disgusting, but limited to a few seemingly heartless imbeciles. It is not an entire community dedicated to this way of life - I would bet their co-workers and families are not proud of them. It is not a custom or tradition passed down whose time has come to end, and it is PUNISHABLE BY LAW in our country. I am not a bleeding heart, yet both scenes disgust me in their inhumanity. I do have a soft spot for dolphins, admittedly, but tuna, yellowtail, mackeral and other school fishes exist in populations in the open seas in exponentially greater numbers than porpoise, and tuna and yellowtail can be farmed in pens. How could anyone condone eating porpoise? I can't imagine an ocean without porpoise and textbooks showing pictures of them, with the caption that the Japanese ate them all (pulling YOUR chain).
Don't show me any more - I was a much happier person before viewing either of the two videos.
Craig
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bartmanaz
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Posted: Sat Sep 30th, 2006 07:40 pm |
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Stuart-Touche, amigo!
(I just did not want to pull the cover off and check the innards but suspect you are 100% correct.) But for those who feel very strongly on this issue and wish to vote with their wallets, I would point out that voting on future purchases impacts the source and throwing out items already purchased only hurts you-it is a sunk cost.
Bart
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azotter
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Posted: Sun Oct 1st, 2006 07:18 pm |
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those doe-eyed cows you don't mind eating suffer every bit as much as the cute, intelligent little flippers. So, where's the outrage about the Big Macs?
Actually, Stuart, I don't think they do suffer as much. The method that we use to kill them remders them unconscious immediately. When watching that video, those dolphins seemed to be excrutiating pain for a long period of time. When I have been to the slaughter plants, it was over very quickly. Of course there will be an occasional one that misses the first time, but overall it is much more humane method; Actually, I did not see anything humane at all in the Japanese method.
Sharon
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Posted: Mon Oct 2nd, 2006 06:21 pm |
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Hey Fernando,
How is the fishing?
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Posted: Fri Oct 6th, 2006 02:20 am |
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| The problem with the actions of the Japanese "fishermen" and the video of their activity is that it fuels the ever-growing opposition to the taking of all wildlife by many people other than the dedicated Peta-types. That mindless opposition can be found in the proposition going before the voters of Arizona to prevent the "mistreatment" of young calves being grown for veal, even though we have no such facilities in Arizona at this time. As an avid hunter and fisherman, this is why I don't like to see videos on TV of the taking of wildlife, especially big game and waterfowl. I enjoy such programs but know how they will be used by those who want to abolish hunting, as well as fishing. That opposition is what is really behind the closure of many areas to offshore fishing in California. But, I will say that the manner in which these dolphin were killed is reprehensible. As a kid in the '50's, I worked on the kill floor of my dad's packing plant--at a time when the kill methods were not nearly as sophisticated as today. Even so, our animals did not suffer..and I use that term advisably. Perhaps because most of us had grown up around farm animals and were hunters, we felt a need to not let them suffer. And, just because I love a good steak, I do not believe we should close our eyes to the manner in which animals are killed for our use. I have always believed that hunters and fishermen are the best conservationists because of the respect we have for game. That's why most of us today do not kill for the trophy, and except when we are fishing for the meat, release our catch.
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Posted: Fri Oct 6th, 2006 05:18 am |
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Bravo! Simple, eloquent, succinct, and to the point.
Craig
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Posted: Tue Oct 10th, 2006 04:38 am |
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I've skipped over this video for a number of days because I could guess what was to be shown. I viewed it today and must admit I'm upset.
I'm a hunter, fisherman, I've been an Arizona rancher and I do enjoy meat. The issue here is not a simple difference of the type of animal that is killed, though I personally have a tough time with the notion of killing a dolfin. This issue is one of respect. The culture displayed does not respect the life that it is taking. The harvest, if it's called that, contains disrespectfully unneccesay pain and suffering. The people performing have a perverted sense of power.
I've seen a lot of crummy hunters, crummy fisherman, crummy ranchers, crummy pet owners, crummy parents and an occasional crummy spouse (never mine, she's an angel) hurt those who are at their mercy. In each and every encounter, I could score it a lack of respect.
The Japanese shown in this film are not crummy people because they eat dolfin or whale. They are crummy because they do not respect the bounty that the Lord has provided. Simple lack of respect
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