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Posted: Mon Nov 14th, 2005 12:52 am |
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Lets lobby the government to make licenses reasonable more people would fish and buy them
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Fisherking
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Posted: Mon Nov 14th, 2005 01:16 am |
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Dan, not trying to take shots here or anything, just trying to point out a realistic perspective.... Here in Arizona it is more expensive to buy a combo license for a year than it is in Mexico, yes the combo does provide hunting but that is restricted to small game unless you are drawn or buy an over the counter tag for additional money. And in no way can you compare AZ's fair bass, trout, crappie, and catfishing to the fishing in the Sea of Cortez, let alone the Pacific side and the Gulf side depending on just where you are fishing. And one last note, as far as monetary percentages go it might cost you two hundred bucks to drive to Roosevelt and fish for the weekend assuming you have a boat and already have the necessary tackle. Compare that the costs of deep sea fishing out of SC where two hundred dollars of fuel might last a two day weekend.....forty bucks is a small percent of the overall bill.
Maybe instead of paying less we should all pay $200 and ensure that our money is going to preserving the ocean that we obviously love...We should be b*itching about the long-liners and the tortuga harvesters. I'm out....Tight lines ya'll
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Posted: Mon Nov 14th, 2005 03:03 am |
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| Boat lic 10 friends for a boat ride --1 pole = over $1,000
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Stuart
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Posted: Mon Nov 14th, 2005 03:26 pm |
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How are you doing that kind of math to come up with $1000, Dan? Oh, it must be NEW math! 
Personally, my boat permit is $67.50 for a year and our fishing licenses for the wife and I are $37 each for the year. Even if you bought 10 fishing licenses for a year, that's only $370. Throw in the $35 a year to be a member of the Vagabundos so that you can order licenses by phone or fax and it's still way short of your number.
You can buy them for the day or week, I believe. About $10 each. Very reasonable!
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Posted: Mon Nov 14th, 2005 07:42 pm |
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| O.K. I embellished don't forget the dinghy this is for 3or4 trips to fish for a year
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Posted: Mon Nov 14th, 2005 08:42 pm |
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I agree with Fisherking. If anything, licenses should cost more. Once governments see how valuable sport fishing is, they tend to be more careful of the resource. Sport fishermen cannot achieve much political clout "on the cheap". Most of us spill more beer in the course of a year than the cost of a license. 
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bartmanaz
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Posted: Tue Nov 15th, 2005 12:55 am |
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While I freely admit I make more than 3-4 trips per year, and fish a lot of days in San Carlos, I find the cost of permits to be relatively cheap. What is of greater concern to me is that the $$ we spend on boat and fishing permits are not then used to enhance the habitat and enforce the laws. The port captain's boat is rarely at sea and in all the years I have fished in these waters I have never been stopped at sea and asked for licenses and permits. Now some are going to misconstrue that as hey wonderful, Waldo says we don't need to buy them. Actually, just the opposite-I believe that if you are going to go to Mexico and fish in THEIR waters and take THEIR fish then you should have THEIR permits and licenses.
We in the various states in the USA enjoy a level of game/fish management that is to be envied and duplicated. The dollars spent on game/fish licenses in Arizona for example are used to support and police the habitat and enhance the management of species for all to enjoy. The plain cold reality is that our own ocean fishing management practices at a Federal level are a disaster and anybody that tries to duplicate our system should be dragged thru the water with a 14/0 circle hook in his/her lip as a bait! Our states do it well and the feds can't get their brains around it because of the political pressure put on by the commercial sector. Nuff said on that-if you need more go to a newstand and buy any salt water fishing mag and read it carefully.
But I do believe in the concept of user benefit/user pays. If I ran the show, the dollars we pay to buy licenses in Sonora would be used to man, equip, fuel and operate boats to check on us and everybody else in these waters-a game warden system, what a novel idea! Furthermore, the port captain would have folks walk the dock and ask to see the licenses and permits of those who bring in a boat load and oh, by the way would check to see the daily bag limits were enforced and issue citations and fine those who violate them or are unpermitted or unlicensed. Furthermore, those dollars/pesos would be used to convert some of those pangeros who are longlining or gill netting to wardens to enforce the regulations, not only on the sport fishermen but on their peers.
Much of what I espouse here is running in the face of political reality and I know that. Change is slow and must consider the subsistence fisherman who is trying to feed his kids and live the life he probably learned from his father and his father. But change must come or the magnificent resource we all know and love is going to continue to dwindle. In the meantime, buy your permits and your licenses. If you have political standing in Mexico, continue to push for the concept of user benefit/user pays.
Mark Mulligan has a line in one of his songs that goes something like this:
"What's he going to tell his son
When the nets are empty and the fish are all gone..
..that day is coming soon...off the Coast of Nowhere"
(My apoliges Mark if I screwed this up but you get my drift)
So buy Mexican permits and licenses, practice catch and release, take only what you can really use, obey the daily bag limits by species and most importantly, encourage those you know to do the same.
If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem!
Thanx
Bart
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Posted: Tue Nov 15th, 2005 01:06 am |
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| Perfect! I wish I had said it that way! I agree completely.
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