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Posted: Thu May 11th, 2006 09:57 pm |
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I am trying to get an idea how much pressure this place gets. Would it be visited by the motherships out of San Felipe much?
I guess that's two questions.
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Posted: Fri May 12th, 2006 05:32 pm |
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Ok, maybe there is a better board to post this on. Is there one that the Bahia Kino fishermen frequent?
Do fishermen, with the kind of range required, fish out of Kino? I have never been there but have heard that it is more for trailer boats. True?
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Posted: Fri May 12th, 2006 06:03 pm |
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Hook,
I have not fished Kino for about 12 years, but from what I understand, it is still without anything but the two boat ramps that were there when we went. We launched a 19' Century deep vee i/o, but it was not like launching in SC! The ramp is not protected and we had 1'+ swells to contend with. We did go to San Pedro Martir, but that was one of my first ocean excursions and we spent most of the time fishing skipjacks on light tackle. There is a seamount that is supposed to be very good fishing, but all we had was Loran and couldn't find it. Position is about 28'31" 112'23" and it is 90 feet deep surrounded by 500-1000 foot water. There was no marina, no fuel dock, and a deserted dirt lot where you had to leave the truck and trailer all day. We never had a problem, but SC is SOOO much more convenient! We did get grouper, yellowtail, and a small dorado on the NW side of Isla Turner fishing the reefs. Beautiful beaches, not many restaurants, and every time we went, one or more of the group ended up with a bad case of the Americanos! Not sure what we were doing wrong, but 5 out of 7 of us got REALLY sick on one trip. That being said, all of this is ancient history, so maybe someone will have more current info.
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Posted: Fri May 12th, 2006 06:18 pm |
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Thanks, Craig.
Do fisherman out of SC make runs at San Pedro Martir? That would be a pretty long run.
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Posted: Fri May 12th, 2006 08:12 pm |
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Typically not. The more popular destination from San Carlos is Loreto. The biggest issue is fuel -- you can get it in Loreto, but not in Kino unless you jerry-can it. Personally, I can't see jerry-canning a 100 gallons or more of fuel. The other popular destination from San Carlos is Tortuga Island. About a 50 mile run to good fishing grounds off the island. We've caught some nice fish in that area. But, it's close enough you can make it there and back without worrying about fuel.
I've eyed my Blue Charts closely and done the math to see if I could make the Midriffs from Puerto Penasco. Same situation -- while I could make it there on full tanks, I'd need fuel in order to make it back.
I've considered a fuel bladder, but who wants all that extra fuel laying around in a big balloon on the deck while you're running at speed or trying to fish? Just doesn't seem safe to me.
I'd second Craig on the ramp situation. Although I've never launched at Kino, I have trailered over to San Felipe when I had my smaller boat, a Bayrunner. Unprotected ramps totally suck when you're hot and tired and trying to get the boat up on the trailer in afternoon breezes with waves crashing at your transom. Damn near ended up beaching the boat.
Hence, the Midriffs pretty much remain the domain of the long range boats out of San Felipe. I have on rare occasion heard guys on the radio fishing off Turner Island while I've been out on the water in San Carlos.
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Posted: Fri May 12th, 2006 08:22 pm |
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Thanks, guys.
I have tentative plans to fish out of BOLA for 8 days, sometime in mid-June. One night, at least, will be in San Francisquito. From there, it is "only" 28 nautical miles to Martir. So, about 80 nautical miles from the ramps at BOLA. I am thinking about fishing what is generally considered the most remote island in the SOC. No buddy boat as yet.
Looking like it might be an early year on the Baja side. Already excellent dorado fishing in the Loreto area and dorado have been caught north of Mulege. I'm hoping another month of warming will have them around Martir....if they aren't already there.
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Posted: Fri May 12th, 2006 09:47 pm |
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Hook- Very near Martir, there are some wicked Drop offs and structure On a chart this looked like a very cool place to fish,One of the best looking spots In the sea of Cortez. Really!! last year we waited until July when the water was very warm to go there, the trip was Not so good , when we got near Martir there were thousands and thousands of birds, more than I have ever seen, we are bait fisherman and the problem was you could not troll more than 5 seconds with out catching a Bird, I think we released around 15 birds, and headed for home???? I for one will never Return
hope this helps
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Posted: Mon May 15th, 2006 03:41 am |
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The "Bombero" launches from Kino Bay. They regularly fish the south tip of Turner Island. Tuesday's offering was 8-10 White Sea Bass in the 40 -50 LB Range.
Sunday Provided some decent Yellowtail On a Day trip down to San Carlos.
The ramps in Kino are not perfect, But do just fine during good weather. And you can't
beat the ambience of Kino Bay. Laid Back & Beautiful. Bring On The Dodo's!!!!
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Posted: Tue May 30th, 2006 06:51 am |
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FYI, San Pedro Martir is a biosphere reserve now and there are several areas around the island that are considered core zones and no fishing what so ever is allowed. Please contact Ana Luisa Figeroa from Islas del Gulfo de California for more info on the area you can and can not fish around Martir. She can be reached at 221-0300
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Posted: Tue May 30th, 2006 03:28 pm |
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Vince is correct. You are not allow to fish in San Pedro Martir with out fishing permit.
The fishing permit is issue only in Kino Bay, and they allow you to fish in the west side of the island only. Since last year there is a permanent navy patrol in the area.
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Posted: Tue May 30th, 2006 07:20 pm |
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Thanks for all the info. Plans have changed. I will be testing a new ramp and "marina" on the Baja side. Probably will go outside of Tortuga a time or two so I will hail boats from San Carlos and let em know what the fishing/water temps are like out there.
Interesting about SPM. Enviros limit the taking of a fish or two by sportfishermen and yet do nothing about rampant illegal commercial fishingthroughout the Sea. Go figure........
Again, thanks for all the info.
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Posted: Wed May 31st, 2006 02:53 am |
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| First off enviornmentalists have nothing to do with the enforcement of fishing laws here and many of us have worked our butts off to try to make the fisheries department enforce the rules here. Second off sport fisherman take a whole lot more than a fish or two when they go out fishihng. Conapesca is the department that allows rampant illegal fishing throughout the whole sea of cortez, and lets face it, many sport fisherman come back from a day of Dorado fishing with a quantity of fish that is way over the limit. Enjoy dorado while you can get them because a day is coming when you wont be able to find them around much anymore. I am sure everyone is running into a tremendous number of long lines now, each of which is totally illegal. Tonnes of Dorado are being shipped right out of Guaymas to market and I suspect it will be another very bad year for sportfishing dorado. Perhaps sportsfisherman should ban together and form a power ful lobby to make the department of fisheries here their voice.......
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Posted: Wed May 31st, 2006 04:52 pm |
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I would certainly welcome some type of concerted effort at enforcement......at least as much as a gringo can do.
But it's not Conapesca that's declared the biosphere around SPM and the other islands in the Sea. It's international organizations funded by environmental groups.
I think you sell the sportfisherman short on his limit ethics. I fish with some varied groups over on the Baja side and they are adament about not taking more than limits; in fact, they're big on not taking more than they can eat in the near term.
But it's nothing compared to what the commercials are doing. I can still recall that boat out of Guaymas about 4-5 years ago that had a shark permit....but was longlining off Cabo for anything they could get. Inside the hold they found over 3000 dorado. Now, figure in the overall loss due to the lack of breeding of those fish. And that's just the one boat that got caught.
I have to agree with you about the future of dorado fishing. It has declined so dramatically in the last 10 years. But we sporties are just a drop in the bucket when you see the numbers in that one commercial fishing bust.
We're not without fault, though. It really burns me when I see pics on mexfish.com of gringos with 8-10 lb. female dorado at the hanging racks on the beach. That's just ignorance of the fishery. People should be releasing ALL females they catch.
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Posted: Thu Jun 1st, 2006 01:55 am |
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| All I can tell you is that I see a lot of sport fisherman here, and I would have to say the majority of sport fisherman when in it comes to Dorado in San Carlos take way over the limit of what they are allowed. The stories are endless about the 20 or 30 dorado that get put in the box and ya a whole buch of them are females. Sport fisherman have an impact. As far as San Pedro Martir goes of course Conapesca didn't declar it a Biosphere reserve. That happened because NGO's working with local fishing cooperatives wanted to see some real far sighted management of one of the most isolated and biologically diverse islands in the Sea Of Cortez. The only thing conapesca is capable of around here is insuring that they pad their pockest with illegal kickbacks. Tonnes of Dorado are being shipped out of Guaymas on a weekly basis. That means thousands of dollars of bribes going into the pockets of the guys at the top of the chain. The poor inspectors are stuck with no resourses to do their jobs. God knows I spent several years of my time trying to get the law enforced here. I actually helped Conapesca in Guaymas bust the ony shrimp boats to every get busted out of Guaymas. After several years of trying it became clear to us that the heads of Conapesca would say one thing to us and then another to the commercial fishing fleet. The only people right now that are working for the enforcement of rules governing the Dorado fishery are enviornmentalists. I certainly don't see now nor have I ever in the 16 years of being here seen any sport fishing coalition in the area lobby Conapesca to do the right thing. I wish it weren't so. Mayby it's not to late but Dorado are mighty threatened and it only gets worse every season.
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