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FrankRoss
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Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2007 05:42 pm |
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| After 2 near accidents, one with the 18 month old child of a friend, I met with the Commisario today to discuss the misuse of ATVs on the Algodones Beach. ATV's, motor vehicles, and horses are prohibited on Mexican beaches. Each year, this illegal use has increased to the point it is now a significant danger to people using the beach. A few people drive them responsibly, but they are the minority. Children, 8 years old and up are allowed to drive powerful ATVs without supervision. If this unlawful use continues, it is only a question of time until some innocent bystander is hurt or killed by one of these machines driving so rapidly on the beach. The commisario was of total agreement. He said he would post 2 new signs announcing the enforcement of the regulation and would ask Guaymas for an ATV for the police to patol the beach. This regulation extends to the dunes. They are zoned Pt (Preservacion Total) and the racing of these machines on the dunes is damaging them. Several months ago, a 16 year old boy was killed on the dunes by jumping his ATV over the top. While his death is sad, think of how worse it could have been had he killed an unsuspecting child or adult. The commisario wants to stop all riding on the dunes and along all the beaches of San Carlos, not only Algodones beach. He plans to inform the various rental outlets and will patrol the beaches to give warnings and later tickets (multas) to those who continue. We should all applaud the reaction of the Commisario. He recognizes that San Carlos is growing rapidly and he needs to control the situation now, rather than later after a disaster has occured. Last edited on Tue Apr 17th, 2007 05:48 pm by FrankRoss
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LimeyLInda
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Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2007 06:44 pm |
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| Good post Frank. Thanks for your effort.
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CJN
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Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2007 11:47 pm |
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| Yes, thank you soooo much! My dog was hit by one and i've watched many children come close, and I went to the Comissario myself last year. He was sympathetic was wasn't ready to do anything about it. Now he is, and that is truely GREAT!
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Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2007 01:31 am |
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| Frank, thank you so much for this service to all of us who enjoy our beaches. As a new owner at Bahia Delfin but long time San Carlos visitors, we have always wondered about the noise and danger the ATV's and trucks presented along San Francisco beach. Hopefully the Commisario will post the signs everywhere and enforce the rules if he can do so. We hate to think of our grandkids having to dodge wild and crazy ATV drivers on the beach!! Maybe some board members from Condo Pilar can also pursue this for their beach too.
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wayneo50
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Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2007 02:59 am |
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| Too me just another rule that just isn't needed, let everyone enjoy, even the riders.
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Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2007 03:26 am |
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| enjoy what? an accident? a death? a hurt child or animal? rules sometimes are in the interests of everyone, their safety, and therefore everyone's enjoyment.
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FrankRoss
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Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2007 04:26 am |
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| To be sure everyone understands, this is not a rule that the commisario decided upon. It is Mexican Law, one that has to this point been unenforced. It is enforced in Cancun, Playa del Carmen, Puerto Vallarta, Huatulco and others. The longer it goes unenforced, the harder it will become to do so. We should not wait (like Puerto Penasco) until the last minute when ATVs take over the beaches. Last edited on Wed Apr 18th, 2007 04:31 am by FrankRoss
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Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2007 06:22 am |
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| Why don't you just stay in your house, you might get hit walking across the street, or step on a stingray while walking in the water, who knows maybe even twist an ankle on the ungroomed beach sand here. All the places listed are gringo land just like San Carlos will be. Remember as a kid all the fun you had doing alot of things that just were not right, but boy did we have fun. Not today, there is a law against them. There is a law for everthing, and the next time something happens there will be a law against that too! I know alot of folks done here are still enjoying life without all those up north laws and getting along fine. Use common sence while on the beach and you will be fine. When you move some place try to fit in with what is around you and enjoy life, don't bring the atitude "whear we come from we have rules against that", or maybe you shouldn't have left where you came from!
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Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2007 11:48 am |
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I enjoy taking my ATV down the beach on a leisurely stroll. I have to agree that there should be some enforcement.
I would suggest operators of ATV's should be at least 18 yrs old.
To ban ATV's totally is taking a big part of the attraction of San Carlos away.
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Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2007 02:30 pm |
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Most of the people riding on the beach are Mexican.
This smacks of Gringos moving in to town and trying to legislate their ways against the locals. You might get what you want, but you are gonna create a lot of resentment against Gringos. Do it enough and you'll have much bigger problems than ATV's on the beach.
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FrankRoss
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Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2007 03:32 pm |
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| I have lived here for 12 years and am married to a Mexican citizen. She more than anyone asked me to start this. It was her god daughter, also a Mexican who was almost runover by a 14 or 15 year old riding out of control. This is not Americans trying to legislate Mexicans, this is a Mexican law. I don't think Wayne, who probably has never been farther south than San Carlos, has the right to tell me to return to the US. His ignorance on the subject is apparent so he reverts to personal attacks. The fact is, Mexico recognized this as a problem years ago, wrote the law and it is enforced in most other areas where large numbers of people use the beach. I am sure if Wayne had a family member or someone he knew killed or hurt by one of these crazy drivers, he would change his mind. In the meantime, for those of us who use the beach and have become aware of the problem, we only ask that the Mexican law that exists is enforced. A far cry from Gringos trying to legislate Mexicans. Last edited on Wed Apr 18th, 2007 03:55 pm by FrankRoss
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Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2007 03:43 pm |
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| Thank you Frank Ross for being dignified, eloguent, and persistent about this issue. My husband is Mexican, and he feels strongly about the regulations on ATVs as well. Anyone with any sensitivity towards the safety of others can't help but feel that way. And thank you for making a difference through your actions.
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Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2007 04:18 pm |
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| Go Frank - I think sometimes people who do not know voice their opinions just to hear their brains rattle.
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Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2007 04:23 pm |
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As a homeowner at Condos Pilar, I can assure you that we have done something re: ATV's and vehicle traffic on the beach. Take a walk and look at the white posts and signage on the beach. Unfortunately the Delfin HOA is not up and running (nor are the condos), but as soon as it is...perhaps THEY can do something about their beach. By the way, Pilar pays a $5,000 yearly sum to use and protect their beach and access to the federally and state and worldwide (WWF) protected and fragile Estero...which, unfortunately this past Semana Santa was used as a garbage dump and toilet by many unregulated campers on the beach. I know that the Delfin homeowners list has been kept private to perhaps, prevent a group from forming before it is completed, but as soon as it is up and running, you could spearhead the HOA there and join with us at Pilar on many issues...not just beach protections.
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Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2007 04:38 pm |
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Frank is 100% right on the money. He hasn't even mentioned the ecological damage I have personally witnessed 4 wheelers and ATV's doing to the sand dunes on a regular basis. More people always equals more rules and more land use issues and restrictions. This is just the begining. Those of you who can not acknowledge that probably should be looking for another place to live with less people.
It will be a while before there is enfocement of the law so those of you who use the beach should beware that what we are talking about here will not be put into practise immediatlely. It is a very tolerant culture here and people will not be getting fines for driving ATV's on the beach. There will be plenty of time for ATV users to realize that the party will end some day, certainly not today though. In the mean time there will still be people on the beaches on a regular basis raging around wrecklessly on ATV's.
So please don't let your guard down when on the beach. Lets try to avoid accidents and if you know anyone with an ATV, mexican or american, please let them know to drive with caution at all times, especially on the beach. Reckless riders have pretty much ruined it now for those of you who ride responsibly.
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Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2007 04:42 pm |
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Responsibily riding an atv or jet ski for that matter is a big part of being at any resort or unique destination.
I agree that maybe 16 years old plus should be a rule and that areas should be set aside or designated for true "fun" riding. Everyone should have a chance to have fun and keep it safe to.
To many rules ruin life for everyone and both can be accomodated.
If it's a law in Mexico then we must follow their laws; it's their country and we are just guests in the great land of Mexico.
Note that I'm 60 years old and don't own an atv or jet ski, but believe in the right for all people to have some fun in their life without being chased by cops everywhere they go. Life's too short.
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Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2007 04:59 pm |
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| I would have to agree with most post but when does it stop! A law for this and a law for that, sometimes just to much. Maybe restricted hours or zones. Lots of things just work themself out over time. My wife is Mexican and feels that U.S and Canadians bring too much bagage with us when we come here. She always says we come hear to relax and enjoy life not argue over it. With that said I apologize (college educated but never learned how to spell) if I come off so rough. And I have lost 2 dear friends to reclace drivers but do not go around harping on it. As said here life is too short!
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Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2007 05:25 pm |
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| My husband and I are ATV owners. We enjoy using them in San Carlos. I worry when the term "ATV" becomes synonymous with reckless irresponsibility. There are many good people who enjoy ATVs and who use them respectfully. We love the freedom of San Carlos and Mexico.
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Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2007 07:23 pm |
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| To me owning an ATV and be very close to saying "I don't really care too much about the environment." If you drive one on pavement I don't see the problem, but to drive one in the desert and on beaches, to me, it is irresponsible. "Fun" is one thing; ruining the environment while you have "fun" is another. People have to start making choices that demonstrate responsibility and caring for their community and the natural environment that sustains us. Using your ATV on paved road and not in the natural environment would be a first step.
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Jimmy
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Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2007 07:41 pm |
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When Gringos arrive in Mass then "CIVILIZATION" (loss of individual rights, conformity, self righteousness, and the GRINGO WAY) is soon to follow!!!!!
"Why, thats the way we do it back home"
ON PLEASE, GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!!!.....
BUT, ALL IS ALREADY LOST, OR SOON TO BE....THEY ARE HERE!
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